Carnival Triumph UGH...

[avenger79]

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Plus another cruise for free. I agree, and there was a guy on the horn yesterday who was saying he was eating Crab and Lobster. What's the saying? "better than my best day at work." I love being on the water. Hanging out on the deck would've been fun for me no matter what.

that was my thought exactly.

 

[southkogs]

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From my perspective, the fire was contained and suppressed, there were no injuries, the passengers and vessel arrived in port safely, the crew and staff received high praise from passengers for their efforts, and Carnival was prepared for their arrival, provided options to stay or be bussed home, and offered full refunds and $500 additional funds. Not sure what else could of been done under the circumstances. I think they performed well.

I read this morning a report that claims Carnival new the ship had some maintenance problems and sent her out anyway. That could bite 'em in the butt through this gig.

I agree though, all things considered they seem to have done fairly well.

 

[angus63]

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Have to wonder how many will take the offer instead of filing a law suit.

And so it begins....

Feb 15 (Reuters) - A passenger from the stricken Triumph cruise ship sued Carnival Corp on Friday over "horrifying" conditions, including being forced to wade through human feces from overflowing toilets after power was knocked out by a fire.


The lawsuit by Cassie Terry of Brazoria County, Texas, alleged Carnival failed to provide a seaworthy vessel and sanitary conditions, according to court documents.


Terry suffered physical and emotional harm, including anxiety, nervousness and the loss of the enjoyment of life, according to the complaint filed in federal court in Miami.

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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And so it begins....

Feb 15 (Reuters) - A passenger from the stricken Triumph cruise ship sued Carnival Corp on Friday over "horrifying" conditions, including being forced to wade through human feces from overflowing toilets after power was knocked out by a fire.


The lawsuit by Cassie Terry of Brazoria County, Texas, alleged Carnival failed to provide a seaworthy vessel and sanitary conditions, according to court documents.


Terry suffered physical and emotional harm, including anxiety, nervousness and the loss of the enjoyment of life, according to the complaint filed in federal court in Miami.

Gotta wonder how many Lawyers were waiting on that pier with stacks of business cards in their pockets....

 

[southkogs]

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Gotta wonder how many Lawyers were waiting on that pier with stacks of business cards in their pockets....

Sounds more like folks making calls from the deck out at sea. That was fast.

 

[tpenfield]

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Not much in terms of a law suit, because of all the terms and conditions of the cruise ticket. I am sure some more will try, just because the lawyer think they can make something of it.

 

[bassman284]

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And so it begins....

Feb 15 (Reuters) - A passenger from the stricken Triumph cruise ship sued Carnival Corp on Friday over "horrifying" conditions, including being forced to wade through human feces from overflowing toilets after power was knocked out by a fire.


The lawsuit by Cassie Terry of Brazoria County, Texas, alleged Carnival failed to provide a seaworthy vessel and sanitary conditions, according to court documents.


Terry suffered physical and emotional harm, including anxiety, nervousness and the loss of the enjoyment of life, according to the complaint filed in federal court in Miami.

Anxiety AND nervousness. Think of it!

 

[Fishing Dude too]

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And above all they decided to cruise a dieing boat to U.S. port instead of a Mexican port to try and save money. In doing so put peoples lives at risk, and their health at risk. Te cruise ship was 50 miles from port when they had the first fire. Now how many of you would have taken your boat out after you had an event?

 

[kenmyfam]

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Very interesting thread.

 

[angus63]

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And above all they decided to cruise a dieing boat to U.S. port instead of a Mexican port to try and save money. In doing so put peoples lives at risk, and their health at risk. Te cruise ship was 50 miles from port when they had the first fire. Now how many of you would have taken your boat out after you had an event?

When I was sailing in the Merchant Marine, I was on a vessel in the Pacific when we had a steam turbine casing failure and went dead in the water. We were very close to Guam but the company arranged for a tow to Hawaii (yeah!). Not sure of all the reasons for the decision, but some of them were customs, facilities for repair, accommodation of crew, and logistics for delivery of parts. As long as the vessel is sound and crew is not injured, where to land has a matrix of considerations.

 

[southkogs]

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And above all they decided to cruise a dieing boat to U.S. port instead of a Mexican port to try and save money. In doing so put peoples lives at risk, and their health at risk. Te cruise ship was 50 miles from port when they had the first fire. Now how many of you would have taken your boat out after you had an event?

To be honest ... had I been on board, I probably would have preferred landing at a U.S. Port as opposed to Mexico.

 

[Fishing Dude too]

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To be honest ... had I been on board, I probably would have preferred landing at a U.S. Port as opposed to Mexico.

Not saying that but they knew the boat was going to fail, as a captain your first concern is passanger saftey

 

[southkogs]

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Not saying that but they knew the boat was going to fail, as a captain your first concern is passanger saftey

I'm wondering if porting in Mexico wouldn't be less safe than drifting along in the gulf

To some degree (and here's the subjective part of the conversation that'll really nail Carnival), I'm not so sure they were not safe as much as they were not comfortable. Like I said, that's a subjective conversation but the boat really never seemed in danger post fire. It really doesn't seem the passengers were either. They were certainly uncomfortable, and it really did smell bad I'm sure. But overall everyone was safe and well.

Completely different than Costa Concordia, y'know?

 

[QC]

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So here are the logistics for the Mexico plan. Busses for 4000 people (crew has to go home too) to the airport from Playa Del Carmen to Canucn, or from Cozumel to the local Airport. Hotels for those that have to wait for the 12+ 747s to be arranged or 35+ 737s. Sounds like a mega task to me. And then also you need to consider that the boat needs to be in a port where she can be repaired. Yes, these are money and time issues. But they are practical, and they matter. Nobody wins if Carnival goes bankrupt.

 

[tpenfield]

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Other than a plentiful supply of Dos XX beer, I do not see any advantage to the Mexico port option either. Might of got the passengers off the ship faster, but then a nightmare of travel logistics to get folks home.

if the boat could have maintained sanitation systems under aux power, then things would have been a whole lot better. I wonder how the Triumph differs from other ships, if at all.

 

[angus63]

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This statement is from Carnival reported in USA Today

The ship was 150 miles from the coast of Mexico when it lost power, and Carnival initially planned to tow it to the Mexican port of Progreso, but strong currents pushed the ship 90 miles north by the time tugs reached the vessel, making a tow to Alabama more logical.

We are only hearing bits and pieces of the factors that led to decisions as time passes. One thing is for sure, every passenger interviewed had nothing but accolades for the crew and staff. Carnival must have excellent hiring and training practices, and I would definitely consider them if I were to "cruise".

 

[angus63]

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Other than a plentiful supply of Dos XX beer, I do not see any advantage to the Mexico port option either. Might of got the passengers off the ship faster, but then a nightmare of travel logistics to get folks home.

if the boat could have maintained sanitation systems under aux power, then things would have been a whole lot better. I wonder how the Triumph differs from other ships, if at all.

Triumph is typical of all large cruise vessels. The vessel runs off of six SSDG's (ships service diesel generators) for propulsion (large electric motors geared to the screws) and for all electrical needs throughout the vessel. All of the SSDG are tied into a bus. The number of SSDG paralleled into the bus depends on load. For example, while in port only two may be running to supply enough juice for the vessel, while slow cruising or only half occupied they may run four SSDG. While maneuvering or fast cruising, all six may be running. Typical design allows for at least one to remain offline for pm while under normal conditions. Beyond the SSDG, there are remotely located emergency generators for things like communication, emergency lighting, fire pumps, etc... when the main plant goes cold in an emergency. The fire in the motor spaces more than likely affected the ability to control power distribution, and that is why only emergency power was available. Reports I heard but can't confirm said the crew rigged a portion of the E power to get one galley online to prepare food.

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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Nobody wins if Carnival goes bankrupt.

This one's gunna hurt ($$$$$), but considering CC PLC owns, or has a stake in 10 different cruise lines, which encompasses a hair short of 50% of the industry. Being a MULTI billion dollar corporation, they can afford to take a hit with out going belly up.

Personally I wonder how many of the plaintiffs were first time cruisers, VS people who have sailed with Carnival before.

 

[JimS123]

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Could be the concentration of all the engines near each other. If the fire was severe enough, it may have damaged what's needed to keep electrical up and running.

Regardless... I'm sailing on the Freedom in April. Crossing my fingers for no engine or laundry room fires...

We're on the Freedom as well (4/20). We were on the Legend last April. I read that the Legend helped deliver supplies to the Triumph. I would have liked to participate in that endeavor.

I agree with many who posted - Carnival is doing all they can and its probably not as bad as the news media would have you believe.

All I can say is, extra $ and a free cruise sounds like a good deal to me. Remember if you take a plane on vacation and it has a complete engine breakdown, you don't get to finish the trip, much less take another one!!!

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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We're on the Freedom as well (4/20).

That's the one we're on! Maybe we could meet up for a drink or 3.
Hoping all goes smoothly. Will be my girlfriends first.

I agree with many who posted - Carnival is doing all they can and its probably not as bad as the news media would have you believe.

All I can say is, extra $ and a free cruise sounds like a good deal to me. Remember if you take a plane on vacation and it has a complete engine breakdown, you don't get to finish the trip, much less take another one!!!

Despite the fact that Carnival has the reputation of a budget cruise line, anybody I've ever dealt with from the lady that cleans your cabin, to the person who books the trip for you has always been very friendly, and accommodating. Good to see they are doing the best they could to make it up to people.