Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Try taking a jumper wire and run it from the pos cable on the solenoid to your B terminal on the solenoid and see what happens. B terminal=yellow red tracer wire.

I did the above and nothing happened. The starter didn't go, no audible click, just nothing.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

^^^^ listen to Boobie!
There is NO reason to replace the solenoid. (yet )
You are not getting power from the ignition switch "start" terminal to the solenoid, according to the test above.

How did you conclude ?

I took the remote handle box off and checked to see if there was power coming from them both when the key was turned on.


This shows the neutral control switch has power when the key is turned all the way. It did not light up when it was just in the "on" position or when the position was in forward or reverse. Sounds like it is working just fine.


This is a piece that is just above the ignition. The one on the left does not light up but the one on the right does. It does not matter whether key is just "on" or all the way turned.


Just a random circuit on the ignition part that does not light up. Must be a ground or something?


There were like 3-4 parts of the ignition part that lit up when the key was turned to on or all the way. I do not know what each of them does.


This is just another part of the ignition that has power when key is just turned on.

To me, it seems that everything is working ok except when the power gets to the solenoid. The place where the key turns has power, and all the parts around it have power.

Definately won't buy the solenoid until Im sure it is (or until I get frustrated enough and just want to see what happens!!:lol: )

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Well I went out with the wife today and got her to turn the key all the way while I used the test light to check for power. The "B" terminal or ignition switch terminal actually lit up when the key was turned all the way. So I guess everything is working except for the solenoid.


Is my thinking correct?

Again, sorry for all the posts. I'm very new at all of this even though I find it really interesting.

 

[Tim Frank]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

. The "B" terminal or ignition switch terminal actually lit up when the key was turned all the way. So I guess everything is working except for the solenoid.


Is my thinking correct?

Unless I misread your earlier post, you were not getting power to the "B" terminal, now you are? Maybe you weren't testing with the key turned to the start position....

At this point, I'd recheck that the solenoid ground is good, and recheck your battery. Your title says "battery fully problem" . I guess that may mean that your battery is fully charged, but you don't mention that you checked that or how.
If all checks are OK, I'd replace the solenoid.

Finally, you said

I tried jumping from the top of the solenoid terminal that actually has power to the bottom of the solenoid that goes to the starter with a piece of wire. It made some sparks but the starter spun like regular (but it did not go up and actually engage flywheel.

That is not a proper test of anything, and can damage your wiring. I wouldn't do that again.

 

[boobie]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Agree with Tim, especially about the solenoid ground wire. As he said, if that's okay replace the solenoid.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

I'm sorry for the confusion. When I checked the "B"/red-yellow wire terminal at the beginning I had turned the key to the "on" position, but I did not test it when it was all the way to the right. On my boat, you have to turn it all the way to the right to get it started, and then it goes back and stays at the "on" position. I hope that makes sense.

So when I said that I tested it on the "on" position, it was not getting power. But when I tested it when my wife turned the key completely as far as it could go, it did get power.

I rechecked the grounds and battery. I guess by checking the grounds all I did was make sure they were tight and connections werent corroded. Battery is practically new, though I do not have a multimeter but I will check that when I purchase one of those tomorrow.

Thanks again. It's sleeting here in Louisiana now so at least I don't feel like I'm missing anything on the water! Yall are awesome.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Lets get this "B", "A" and "S" terminal stuff straightened out:

"B" terminal is the "B" terminal on the IGNITION SWITCH. It should be hot all the time as long there is a battery in the boat.
"A" is the accessory terminal on the ignition switch. It is hot when the key is in the RUN position.
"S" is the STARTER terminal on the ignition switch. It is hot ONLY when the key is in the START position.

Since you have the box opened, make those tests. And since you are using a test light, make sure the ground wire is actually on ground and not just any wire you "think" is ground.

 

[Will Bark]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

After all is said and done, I'm betting the "new" solenoid is bad or the "good" fuse beside the solenoid ain"t "good".

 

[boobie]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

I hope the new solenoid is for marine use, not automotive. They're easy to confuse if you buy at any parts house. They look the same but there is a difference.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Just bout the solenoid. Should be in in a week or two. I'll let yall know how it turns out! Thanks for help!!

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

UPDATE:

Installed the new solenoid and it started trying to turn over. I was getting power to the starter and it was engaging the flywheel. Guess it turned out to be the solenoid afterall.

However, the issue still is whether I did permanent damage for those 20 minutes that it ran WITHOUT oil (gash, I cannot believe I did that). When I try to start the motor the starter BARELY moves the flywheel. It acts as if though it is too much or too much resistance and can barely turn it around. Also, the starter starts smoking. This did not happen before. Could this be due to the oil screw up and one of my piston is completely frozen up? I can spin the flywheel by hand but it definitely has some resistance.

Thanks.

 

[boobie]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Pull the spark plugs out and see how hard the flywheel turns by hand. Try the starter also.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Pulled all of the spark plugs out and flywheel turns much easier by hand. Tried the starter and it spins without any resistance like it did before. What does this mean?

 

[boobie]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Bad battery or connections or battey cables. Last resort, bad starter mtr.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Brought the battery to local Autozone and it was showing 12.9V. They said battery was in great condition. Battery cables look fine to me, shiny on ends and no cracks in hosing. Before I purchase the starter, I'd like for yall to check the video out of it trying to start. Does this look like a usual starter problem to you?

1978 Johnson 85 HP - YouTube

 

[boobie]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Looking at the video tells me the mtr is not firing correctly. The amount of times it turned over it should have been running. Have you checked your compression and spark ?? Spark should jump a 7/16 " open air gap on a spark tester.

 

[castiron]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Checked the compression today and it is 100+ psi in all four. Has great spark on all four plugs as well, strong blue/white spark. I changed the spark plugs with new ones because I had added a grease piston sealant after I had found out I did not add any oil to gas. After attempting to restart the motor with the new plugs, she sounded like she wanted to start, but the starter would go down or stop before she could get over that hump. This is a video of the new spark plugs inserted but still not running properly.


Further Testing - 1978 Johnson 85 HP - YouTube

Again, thanks boobie.

 

[likitvi]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

Well timing well off then? That starter seems to rotate the engine at a reasonable speed. Very close to the speed on my E35ECSM, though she rotated a little faster right after cleaning all connections.

 

[Shakedownscott]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

When the starter gear goes down it's because the motor is spinning faster on it's own power. The starter seems to be working just fine now.

I am not sure what you put in the bore, but maybe this is fouling out the spark plugs? If putting in new plugs made it better you could try to clean them and see if it helps.

 

[Will Bark]

Re: Boat Won't Turn Over, No Click, Battery fully problem

I don't know why but I had a 78 110 Johnson that would not start cold if it was tilted up like yours is. You might try leveling the engine and see if it starts and runs. Just a thought.