Boat rammed in Racine, WI

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Tim Frank

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RACINE COUNTY - County investigators Tuesday released more information about a two-boat collision on Lake Michigan Saturday that sank a 29-foot fishing boat and involved a man's cold-water rescue.

Racine County Water Patrol investigators also said they expect to recommend criminal charges.

The Saturday morning boat collision occurred about 3 miles offshore, just north of the Racine-Kenosha county border in about 60 feet of water. Investigators called the collision a ramming by the larger boat - although that boat's owner-operator told the story a bit differently.

According to water patrol officials: A 29-foot Tiara fishing boat owned by Timothy Powers of Harvard, Ill., was trawling at 2 mph, heading northwest. At about 10:45 a.m. the occupants saw the larger boat heading toward them at an estimated 18-20 mph.

At first the Tiara's occupants thought the larger boat would turn; then they sounded their horn and tried to turn out of the way, officials said. They could not turn fast enough, and the bigger boat, a Predator Sunseeker, struck the Tiara's stern, or rear, and its bow slid up on top of the smaller boat, up to the cockpit.

That boxed in the driver, Powers' 20-year-old son Grant Powers, at the helm with the boat taking on water, officials said. So the elder Powers helped his son climb through the broken windshield, causing numerous cuts to his arms. The son later received three stitches in his right hand and five near his right elbow.

Account questioned

The Predator's owner and driver, Scott Gordon, 55, of Chicago called the incident not a ramming, but a collision and said, "I don't know who struck who." Gordon said he'd had his boat on autopilot on a due north course toward Milwaukee and Summerfest with his family. He said there was some fog on the lake and the Tiara did not appear on his radar, though two other boats in the area did.

Gordon questioned why the Tiara would not have turned away, if the Powers saw him coming.

At impact, he said, "All of a sudden my boat slowed down and the bow went up in the air." He first thought he'd struck a reef.

Then, said Gordon, a commercial real estate broker, "All of a sudden I see guys climbing up on the (left) side and yelling ... ?Our boat is sinking!'" He asked them to come aboard and put out a mayday call.

The Tiara sank within about four minutes, officials said.

Meanwhile, the Tiara's third occupant, Todd Schueneman, 36, had jumped into the water without a life jacket just before impact, officials said. When the Powers boarded his boat, Gordon turned it around to get Schueneman.

Officials said the life ring tossed in the water fell short of Schueneman who was starting to become lethargic in the 54-degree water. So Grant Powers jumped in, swam to him and helped rescue him.

Gordon disputed that Schueneman was starting to succumb to the cold water.

The Powers could not be reached for comment about their plans, if any, for the sunken boat. Gordon said he has a basketball-size hole in the bow of his boat.

A dive by investigators to photograph the sunken boat is planned for sometime this week.



Read more: http://www.journaltimes.com/news/lo...773-11e0-b94b-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1RlzkHWKp

Better read again....
 
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funny thing i read it two other places and didnt think trwice about it!!!! i found this Iboat place searching for a replacement fuel tank for my boat.i joined because of a guy in swsf said he got a tank from here at a good price and fit perfect.Then i was just looking through the web site and found some things on here posted one time then some of it got deleted.. .I continued to browse and found the story so i read it and now ...well here we are!


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^^^ So what you are saying is, then next time I'm heading back to the dock and see a fishing boat trolling, I can just set the throttles to ramming speed and run my boat up his transom,,, and it would be half his fault because he didn't get out of my way :confused:

The one thing we don't know is what type of power the fishing boat was under. If he was using a kicker motor, his direction and speed control would have been greatly reduced and he wouldn't have been able to avoid the collision easily. Sure, he could have fired up the main, but who knows if it was even in the water (I troll off another motor with my main up) and lowering the main could have taken time, precious seconds that he might not have had once he realized a collision was imminent.

That said, there are lots of things we don't know about this incident.....
 
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Gordon questioned why the Tiara would not have turned away, if the Powers saw him coming.

and i also wonder how long he saw the other boat for??????
 
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nope i was just stating facts the rules of the waterways and every one wants to attack it well that just shows you how much some people really dont know them..or they what to show up everyone........ if your that type of boater then so be it.............you need common sense along with knowledge to be a good Captain...........If you stick solely to the rules and are stubborn well then its channel 16 on the vhf....
 
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oh yeah.......the boat was trawling that means moving ? underway? lookouts saw the other boat.......looked at it again........watching it.....sounding the horn ..beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppeeeeeeeeeee .......turning the boat...... still turning the boat horn beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeppppeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppeeeeppppp still turning .........CRUSHED

........... now look at it this way........lookouts see boat crusing at them at a good speed......turn wheel give gas.... steer clear...........GIVE FINGER TO THE BOAT AS HE PASSED BY EVEN THROW A FEW 5oz sinkers his way if you want (lol)


this is called COMMON SENSE..............There is No test for it you can pass
 

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^^^ So what you are saying is, then next time I'm heading back to the dock and see a fishing boat trolling, I can just set the throttles to ramming speed and run my boat up his transom,,, and it would be half his fault because he didn't get out of my way :confused:

The one thing we don't know is what type of power the fishing boat was under. If he was using a kicker motor, his direction and speed control would have been greatly reduced and he wouldn't have been able to avoid the collision easily. Sure, he could have fired up the main, but who knows if it was even in the water (I troll off another motor with my main up) and lowering the main could have taken time, precious seconds that he might not have had once he realized a collision was imminent.

That said, there are lots of things we don't know about this incident.....

Tr AWL ing........Tr AWL ing.... :facepalm:

Kicker motor??? You are kidding....right? This was not Lou, his son and a couple of pals wetting some lines out on the big lake for the afternoon.

This was a 30 foot commercial trawler...towing several thousand pounds of trawl net and associated gear....and if they were lucky, maybe up to 1000 pounds of fish....which is now lost and spoiled. (the silent victims...:eek:)

They'd be needing most of what they could get out of their main(s) just to maintain steerage way with all that behind them.
As far as maneuverability, unless they had time and recognised the absolute need to jettison the net (a $50K+ decision) they had none...zip...nada.

Edit: We have a Troll on board and I apologise to the Mods for my part in helping this go south.
I thought i was more astute than that....obviously not...:facepalm:
 
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PLEASE TELL ME IF IM MISSING SOME THING?????????????

Oh, sure, Madness. You are missing these rules:

3. Disagreements on any topic must be conducted in a polite manner using courteous language.

4. Attacks (bashing) on any person, organization, company or other entity will not be permitted.


You have turned a discussion into an argument.. . .JB
 
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This squabble is ended.
 
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