Anyone towing with a Honda Pilot?

Johnshan1

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Re: Anyone towing with a Honda Pilot?

Forget my thoughts on this vehicle, heres what a professional magazine writes:<br /><br />"Its car-based structure, smaller V6 and lack of low-range gearing mean that serious towing and off-roading aren't within its grasp."<br /><br />"Unlike the V8-powered 4Runners, Durangos and Explorers of the world, the Pilot doesn't have an abundance of low-end torque and never struck us as an ideal tow vehicle."<br /><br />"Forget using cruise control when towing with this vehicle, too. Even with my light utility trailer empty, it constantly shifts out of 5th gear…the vehicle is geared just too high. Suffice it to say, Honda's tow rating of 3,500/4,500 lbs is a joke. "
 

Johnshan1

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Also dont forget your electric trailer brakes (1,000 lb.+), weight-distribution hitch (1,850 lb.+) and sway control.<br /><br />Hey thats what honda says anyways.
 

gewf631

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Johnshan1 posted...<br />
Forget my thoughts on this vehicle, heres what a professional magazine writes:<br />
Can I just ask which "professional magazine"?<br /><br />
Also dont forget your electric trailer brakes (1,000 lb.+), weight-distribution hitch (1,850 lb.+) and sway control. Hey thats what honda says anyways.
This seems like a direct contradiction to what you wrote earlier...<br />
I am not saying its not a good tow vehicle for under 4000 lbs
Honda says? If you're going to make these claims, please provide further information to validate them.<br /><br /> I especially like the one claim...<br />
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  • Electric trailer brakes for a 1K load - that's 4-5 adults. For an 8-passenger vehicle, you've GOT to be kidding.<br />
<br /> <br />When towing, I almost always use my cruise control for interstate highway driving, and yes, the Grade Logic in the transmission will hunt for gears when towing through the mountains, but that's the only time I've encountered this scenario.<br />Also, I average slightly over 16mpg when towing at 70 mph - not bad for a family of 5, with a week's worth of vacation-gear!<br /><br />Is this a full-size, heavy-duty tow vehicle -- NO.<br />Is this a capable family hauler that will comfortably tow 3,000-4,000 lbs -- YES.<br /><br />Food for thought...<br />Outside of beefing-up the ladder frame in their Ridgeline, there's very little difference, yet the Ridgeline is rated at 5,000 lbs. Ridgeline towing specs
 

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EdF,<br /><br />Go to the honda website, select full specs for the Pilot, then select Download. The data sheet you get has this info:<br /><br />b) Requires transmission oil cooler and power steering fluid cooler and may require surge-type or electric trailer brakes (1,000 lb.+), weight-distribution hitch (1,850 lb.+) and sway control (2,000 lb. +). <br /><br />Maximum towing capacity may vary depending on passenger/cargo load of vehicle. Consult the owner's manual for complete details.<br /><br />c) Rating applies to boat towing only.<br /><br />d) May require procedure that includes running the engine for 3 minutes at the beginning of a trip and at least every 8 hours thereafter. Consult owner's manual for complete towing procedure information.<br /><br />Ed, Items B, C and D are listed as mandatory items for the Pilot. So yes, Honda says that trailer brakes are needed for over 1000lbs, that a weight distribution hitsh is needed over 1850lbs, and sway control is neede over 2000 lbs. Those are the requirement to tow with that vehicle for various loads direct from Honda.<br /><br />I think item D is the most interesting. Why is it mandatory to start and run the engine for 3 minutes every 8 hours AFTER a trip? That one has me scratching my head.<br /><br />I like Honda in general. I also know they make good and bad vehicles, both cars, trucks and motorcycles. I have owned a few and so have family members. In general, they make good products. The info on their website catagorizing just how to make the vehicle meet their towing claims is there for a reason. They just don't throw those requirements around to make towing a bigger pain in the butt. If they say the vehicle needs it, it does. <br /><br />Just how big is the diameter of the brake rotors? And can anyone explain the 3 minute runtime thing?<br /><br />Edit:<br /><br />Here is the brake info: Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes (in.) 11.8 / 12.3 These brakes seem large enough, but I wonder why the rear disks are larger than the front. It is usually the other way around. Maybe it has something to do with the locking rear axle. It is normally front wheel drive and engages the rear axle when it "detects impending slippage" of the front wheels. The rear axle can manually be locked solid up to 18 mph. Nice feature if stuck on a slippery ramp or snow. <br /><br />Still haven't found anything about the 3 minute runtime thing.
 

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I have a 2005 Acura MDX (Honda Pilot)with dealer instaled towing package. MY boat (1993 Lund Explorer 542#), Motor (1990 30 HP Johnson 110#), and Trailer (1994 Shorelander 285#) weigh 937#, if I add in battery and 6 gals gas I' guessing I'll be about 1100#. This puts me 100# over the point of needing trailer brakes. Does anybody know if it's possible to add brakes to a trailer, or do I have to start shopping for a trailer?
 

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JohnnieLund -- If the axle on the trailer has a square flange on the end (behind the wheel), brakes can be added. If it doesn't, there are many suppliers of axles and they are not terribly expensive. Electric brakes are the easiest to add but requires a controller. Surge brakes can also be added but plumbing the hydraulic lines may be more than most people can handle and end up with a safe system.
 

gewf631

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Mark42 <br />Thanks for supplying the source for those claims. I don't remember seeing that stuff in the owner's manual.<br /><br />That runtime thing has to do with heat buildup, and the longer you can get the fluid flowing through the trans cooler, the less chance there will be for heat-related failure.<br /><br />What's really funny, is that the stock trans cooler is just a metal tube that runs the width of the radiator. Purchase the cooler package for towing, and it's the same size, but with FINS! <br /><br />There's a lot of discussion on the Pilot forum about the inadequacy (and expense) of the coolers - you also get a PS cooler similar to the stock trans cooler. In fact, there was a recall for the earliest production vehicles, to add a fitting (external) to the trans, to re-direct some fluid to one of the gears. The procedure included a visual inspection, checking for burned fluid.<br /><br />That braking issue... The rear brakes on Ford's Expedition are also larger than the front (13.5" vs. 13"), so maybe it's a trend?
 

Johnshan1

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My quotes were from Edmunds car reviews. <br />Mark took care of the rest.<br /><br />Ed, Im glad that you liked the one "claim" that I took out of the owners manual. If you had actually read the towing section you would know that it says to use trailer brakes on anything above 1000 lbs!
 

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Just a heads up, <br /><br />Make : HONDA Model : PILOT Year : 2004 <br />Manufacturer : AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO. <br />NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V176000 Recall Date : APR 13, 2004 <br />Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION <br />Potential Number Of Units Affected : 1099796 <br /><br /><br />Theres a recall regarding the transmissions, maybe they are weak?
 

Darren Smith

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Mark, Item "D" in you above post is for towing the Honda, not towing with the Honda. For towing any automatic trans equiped vehicle behind an RV the engine must be started to lubricate the trans., with the exception of the ones that have a rear pump, like an old 2 spd powerglide. As for towing with the Honda, I don't have any comments other than do not go over the limits, but thats any vehicle.
 

bassman283m

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Re: Anyone towing with a Honda Pilot?

One thing I've always wondered about is why you would need a power steering cooler to tow?
 

fishingdan

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Re: Anyone towing with a Honda Pilot?

Originally posted by bassmanb:<br /> One thing I've always wondered about is why you would need a power steering cooler to tow?
Per Honda, it is due to the increased under hood temps that result from towing.
 

Swishguy

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I own a 04 AWD V-6 Saturn Vue which has the Honda Pilot drive train. I tow a 2600 lb glastron 18' boat & also a 2 place enclosed sled trailer in the winter. The tranny just went at 26000 miles. I got a good deal trading up to a 05. Tows well but trannie is an issue!!!
 

dorelse

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I tow my 18 ft @2600lb Glastron with our Kia Sedona minivan (5 Spd Automatic). It came with a tranny cooler standard and O/D switch. So far so good.
 

nrladeere

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I have been pulling my 4600 lb Chris Craft rig the last few times with an 05 Pilot. Pulls it like a dream. This thing easily out tows an Expedition. I would suggest that the Honda rating is conservative compared to the big 3. That said I think 4500 lbs is about all I would want to tow with it, but it handles that quite well.
 

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Tows better than an Expedition? You've got to be kidding. I'd wager a good sum of money on that test. Honda = 255 HP @ 5600 RPM, Torque = 250 ft/lb @ 4500 with a V6 displacement of 3.4 liters. Expedition = 300 HP @ 5000 RPM, Torque = 365 ft/lb @ 3750 RPM with a V8 displacement of 5.4 liters. When it comes to towing there is no substitute for cubic inches and torque. Period!
 

Johnshan1

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When people start making those type of claims, we all know they have never towed with a V8 much less the vehicle they are comparing it to.
 
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