Anyone Seen these?

[QBhoy]

I remember a lot of People balking at the Cost of the Enertia back in the day, when I was Praising it. I was lucky as my Dealer, just let me take it off of his Boat to try. It made several differences in how the Boat Handled on Plane, It's Tenacious Grip on the water, and how raised both the Bow and Stern of the boat on plane.
16 yrs later, it is still a good Prop, one of the best.
That said, it wasn't a 'Do Everything' prop as I experience it on a larger Lund Tinny. On that hull, it induced Porpoising at all trim settings, even fully in. Boat ran fine with a Venergence, or Lazer.

I’ve found my tempest plus is a better all round prop on one of my boats for sure. Not quite as quick…but only a mph or 2 in it. But certainly better at acceleration and much more efficient at slow speeds and cruising than the enertia. But if I didn’t have the tempest, I wouldn’t know any difference. The laser 2 shows good top end, but easily more rpm and on limiter. Equals the tempest on top speed. But not the enertia

 

[flyingscott]

If you have an old 1950's 2-stroke that sucks gas like there is no tomorrow, and you replace it with a modern 4-stroke, then the upgrade is probably cost effective, depending on how much you go boating.

If you buy a modern SS high performance Mercury Enertia prop (or others) and increase your fuel economy, the data will show your improvement. Then, YOU can decide if the ROI meets your requirements.

Info thus far (or lack of it) indicated that the Sbarraow does not provide $3300 of cost effectiveness above a $700 Mercury prop.

A friend of mine once said "I didn't buy a boat to save money". True words. But striving to make changes to improve performance, economy or speed is what most batmen work toward.

If you have an old 1950's 2-stroke that sucks gas like there is no tomorrow, and you replace it with a modern 4-stroke, then the upgrade is probably cost effective, depending on how much you go boating.

If you buy a modern SS high performance Mercury Enertia prop (or others) and increase your fuel economy, the data will show your improvement. Then, YOU can decide if the ROI meets your requirements.

Info thus far (or lack of it) indicated that the Sbarraow does not provide $3300 of cost effectiveness above a $700 Mercury prop.

A friend of mine once said "I didn't buy a boat to save money". True words. But striving to make changes to improve performance, economy or speed is what most batmen work toward.

How much did that 50s 2 strk cost you? How much will a 4 strk cost you? How long will it take a 4 strk to pay itself off? So you will spend $1000s of dollars on a new motor and hope it pays itself off.

 

[QBhoy]

How much did that 50s 2 strk cost you? How much will a 4 strk cost you? How long will it take a 4 strk to pay itself off? So you will spend $1000s of dollars on a new motor and hope it pays itself off.

Jumping the gun a little I think. We still don’t know if it is an upgrade at all !

 

[JimS123]

How much did that 50s 2 strk cost you? How much will a 4 strk cost you? How long will it take a 4 strk to pay itself off? So you will spend $1000s of dollars on a new motor and hope it pays itself off.

Every thing that is an economic improvement has an ROI. As I said above, only YOU can decide if the term meets your requirements. Other feel good things like planing and speed are not that quantifiable.

 

[flyingscott]

All I hear anymore is the whoosh of of everything said going over your heads.

 

[briangcc]

All I hear anymore is the whoosh of of everything said going over your heads.

I'm just curious...over 3 different threads now, with no actual honest real world reviews other than a couple sham ones, you spend an awful lot of time defending this vaporware.

Did you invest in this company or something?

Realistically speaking, those that are going to spring for a $5k prop aren't going to be trailering their boats. They're probably going to be the $200k+ multi-engine boats with models glued to their front tanning beds (maintenance on those are substantially more).

 

[flyingscott]

I'm just curious...over 3 different threads now, with no actual honest real world reviews other than a couple sham ones, you spend an awful lot of time defending this vaporware.

Did you invest in this company or something?

Realistically speaking, those that are going to spring for a $5k prop aren't going to be trailering their boats. They're probably going to be the $200k+ multi-engine boats with models glued to their front tanning beds (maintenance on those are substantially more).

Why don't you ask everybody else why they are bashing it? I guess it's easier to go along than go against. The first real original prop design in how long and yet it has to be bashed? But it is OK, it is the sign of the times to just run with the group.

 

[flashback]

Don't spend the night at the local holiday inn!

 

[ScottinAZ]

Why don't you ask everybody else why they are bashing it? I guess it's easier to go along than go against. The first real original prop design in how long and yet it has to be bashed? But it is OK, it is the sign of the times to just run with the group.

yep, its original technology, and with that come questions that either are being avoided or not answered with the testing that has been shown. I think a lot more would be accepting of this prop if there were a true apples to apples comparison with another known technology. Say a SAME PITCH/SAME SIZE on the same motor and hull comparison. Then do a test with both optimized to that combination. Have some REAL transparency with it. Howzabout getting some major offshore users on board and have them give an unbiased test of the prop as well. Real numbers, real people, not a little known internet test site that has shot its credibility due to poor testing parameters. I have a feeling if that were to actually happen, there better be a pretty good recipe for crow on hand, cause someone would be eating a bunch of it.

 

[jimmbo]

I never bashed the Prop. I bashed the Website that is just being a Informercial for it, and in over 2 yrs, has never been able to do an Apples to Apples Comparison of, or a credible Review of the Prop, instead just posts what the Maker, who is an Advertiser, tells them

 

[flyingscott]

I never bashed the Prop. I bashed the Website that is just being a Informercial for it, and in over 2 yrs, has never been able to do an Apples to Apples Comparison of, or a credible Review of the Prop, instead just posts what the Maker, who is an Advertiser, tells

What are they supposed to compare it to?

 

[flyingscott]

yep, its original technology, and with that come questions that either are being avoided or not answered with the testing that has been shown. I think a lot more would be accepting of this prop if there were a true apples to apples comparison with another known technology. Say a SAME PITCH/SAME SIZE on the same motor and hull comparison. Then do a test with both optimized to that combination. Have some REAL transparency with it. Howzabout getting some major offshore users on board and have them give an unbiased test of the prop as well. Real numbers, real people, not a little known internet test site that has shot its credibility due to poor testing parameters. I have a feeling if that were to actually happen, there better be a pretty good recipe for crow on hand, cause someone would be eating a bunch of it.

Thank you for mansplaining again. Exactly what on the market is comparable? I highly doubt you have seen any of the tests done on that prop with your statement. See the first test was against similarity pitched 3 blades, but That wasn't good enough. Then they did a 5 blade that wasn't good enough. There is no test they will except. Jimmbo gave you a thumbs up because now you are another sheep in the pen

 

[jimmbo]

I gave him a Thumbs up, because what he said was Accurate and True.

As for Comparing. How about against Conventional Props, of both the Same Pitch, but also against ones that provide the Best Performance, Best Efficiency for a given setup, instead of testing against Mismatched Props

 

[flyingscott]

I gave him a Thumbs up, because what he said was Accurate and True.

As for Comparing. How about against Conventional Props, of both the Same Pitch, but also against ones that provide the Best Performance, Best Efficiency for a given setup, instead of testing against Mismatched Props

Did they not do that In the first test. You guys lost shorts on that test. Why don't you just admit you will never be happy with a test of that prop.

 

[ScottinAZ]

Thank you for mansplaining again. Exactly what on the market is comparable? I highly doubt you have seen any of the tests done on that prop with your statement. See the first test was against similarity pitched 3 blades, but That wasn't good enough. Then they did a 5 blade that wasn't good enough. There is no test they will except. Jimmbo gave you a thumbs up because now you are another sheep in the pen

have you noticed that YOU are the only one here that is defending this prop, regardless of the questions brought up about it. Have YOU noticed that there is only ONE site doing videos and/or testing of this prop? Have YOU considered that there may be a reason for this??

as for what data I would consider acceptable, howzabout an XX pitch by xx size prop and its direct equivalent in the new style. Lets see the RPM at max speed, fuel consumption at that speed, you know TYPICAL TESTING PARAMETERS..... then lets have a bit of fun, and see which prop size has the best EFFICIENCY out of all those in the particular lineups that fit the application against whichever new design prop gives the best performance and efficiency. Lets compare the best of each in a scientific manner using a real scientific method, not just a shotgun approach.

as for mansplaining, I guess Ill save the keystrokes for when the local Fanboi isnt being myopic about things

 

[flyingscott]

have you noticed that YOU are the only one here that is defending this prop, regardless of the questions brought up about it. Have YOU noticed that there is only ONE site doing videos and/or testing of this prop? Have YOU considered that there may be a reason for this??

as for what data I would consider acceptable, howzabout an XX pitch by xx size prop and its direct equivalent in the new style. Lets see the RPM at max speed, fuel consumption at that speed, you know TYPICAL TESTING PARAMETERS..... then lets have a bit of fun, and see which prop size has the best EFFICIENCY out of all those in the particular lineups that fit the application against whichever new design prop gives the best performance and efficiency. Lets compare the best of each in a scientific manner using a real scientific method, not just a shotgun approach.

as for mansplaining, I guess Ill save the keystrokes for when the local Fanboi isnt being myopic

I like your use of capitol letters.

 

[flyingscott]

I will let you guys in on a secret. I find it hilarious how much my defending the sharrow chaps your a@@es. By the way it is a SHARROW prop not a sabarros. Sabarros serves pizza and such. I love the pseudo intellectual mansplaining and the big words. It won't matter how many times the sharrow is tested. People here will not like it no matter what. And some people need to follow the crowd. Remember when all we heard about was the Enertia? Where did that go?
THE SHARROW IS THE ONE PROP TO RULE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!

 

[JimS123]

I will let you guys in on a secret. I find it hilarious how much my defending the sharrow chaps your a@@es. By the way it is a SHARROW prop not a sabarros. Sabarros serves pizza and such. I love the pseudo intellectual mansplaining and the big words. It won't matter how many times the sharrow is tested. People here will not like it no matter what. And some people need to follow the crowd. Remember when all we heard about was the Enertia? Where did that go?
THE SHARROW IS THE ONE PROP TO RULE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!

I may be the one that first used the term Enertia. It was used as an example, not an absolute (I said "or others")'

Regardless, I think its safe to say that I have not bashed the sbarrow pizza prop. All I said that in the absence of real data, who is to compare?

We all look for modern technology and new ideas. As a professional engineer with 45 years experience that was my life goal. But, let's get real here!

Go to your engineer books and do some calkilatng. Gasoline btus per and prop slip and efficiency. Its simply intuitive that ya aint gonna get 100% efficiency. Certainly 4 grand ainta gonna cut it. Bezos and Gore can use them in their boats and give us feedback. But in the interim, us guys with tinny starcrafts and tiller 2-strokes don't have the resources to go that route.

The lack of data from the manufacturer is example enough.

 

[flyingscott]

See that is why I love the sharrow prop. It is like the Crack cocaine of propellers. You guys just can't stop hating it. There have been what 2 or 3 tests and it still isn't enough. There will never be a test that you guys will like. I see it for what it is an exciting prop design. You guys see it as a threat to your existing propeller. Funniest thing ever. And by the way the people who complain most about the website doing the tests, well they are the ones getting the E mail updates. LMAO

 

[achris]

See that is why I love the sharrow prop. It is like the Crack cocaine of propellers. You guys just can't stop hating it. There have been what 2 or 3 tests and it still isn't enough. There will never be a test that you guys will like. I see it for what it is an exciting prop design. You guys see it as a threat to your existing propeller. Funniest thing ever. And by the way the people who complain most about the website doing the tests, well they are the ones getting the E mail updates. LMAO

I looked at those props and they looked really good. I was about to order one and even thought the price was great (~$700).... Until I saw that was the DEPOSIT! The total cost is more than 10 times that of even the most expensive Stainless steel prop from OMC or Merc.

I think you'll find that it's not the prop people don't like, it's the price.

Now, as a Moderator I do need to ask everybody to tone it down a bit. Doesn't matter what the product and how great it is, you're always going to get 'haters'. Just move on to the people how want the prop and stop trying to convert the people who'll never be converted. So, with that in mind, if this thread doesn't cool off very quickly, it'll be closed.

Chris........
iboats mod team.