Anybody else listening to W?

jimonica

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Re: Anybody else listening to W?

:D :D Why you ol plagiarist you Pointer! :p :p <br /><br />The first half of your response (post #2599) to my question was practically verbatim from some web page/blog called "Chronwatch". They describe themselves as a "media watchdog and conservative news site with a focus on the San Francisco Chronicle". We just can't keep you off of the blogs and conservative web pages. :p but, I'm sure they are just a bastion of credibility! :D <br /><br />Then you quote several ex military men and a defense policy analyst with the Heritage Foundation, named Jack Spencer. I really don't take a lot of credence in what these ex military people have to say, because so many of them spend their retirement as spokesmen or lobbyist for defense contractors. :( <br /><br />As for Jack Spencer, I found an article (www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=419&archive=true) which is a complete contradiction of some of the quotes you attributed to him. To paraphrase him, he sees no harm in the cuts to the military. Spencer believes we need a "faster", more "mobile" military with a "quick strike capability". Not this big heavy slow to deploy style of military left over from the cold war. Even though this article was written before the Iraq war he almost seemed to be speaking with this war in mind. Spencer stressed a heavy investment in intelligence. BTW,intel was an area that then Defense Secretary D1ck Cheney cut quite a bit when we should have been investing more. One article I found (www.prospect.org/web/page.www?section=root&name=viewweb&articleId=8481) felt that Defense Secretary Cheney set our intelligent back ten years and may have had an effect on sniffing out the 9/11 terrorist before it happened. "At one point, Cheney told the Post he had terminated the F-14, F-15 and F-16 fighters, the A-6, A-12, AV-8B and P-3 Navy and Marine planes, and the Army's Apache helicopter and M-1A1 tank". "Five of these weapons systems are listed by the Bush campaign in its attempts to chastise Kerry for his anti-defense votes". Cheney was so successful at cutting weapons that The Boston Globe worried "the army's cupboard is left particularly bare...." <br /><br />Another article you might find interesting is called "A Hollow Debate on Military Readiness" (www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb62.pdf). The interesting thing I got from this article, that I never thought of, was that they were saying we don't have to replace each peace of equipment one-for-one. Because of the superior firepower of some of the modern equipment we might have one piece of equipment with the same or better firepower than 2 or 3 of the old obsolete equipment. So when you here these figures being thrown around that we may have less tanks, airplanes or ships, that may be true, but we may have a faster force with just as much firepower capability. <br /><br />As to your question about John Kerry's plan for Iraq? Pointer, given the availability of the facts you could have found this yourself if you were genuinely interested. :p Just "google" John Kerry's plan for Iraq and you will find pages of sites. Or, go to www.thenation.com/doc/200-41011/corn and you will find Kerry's plan in detail. Not that it matters I don't recall call anyone on this thread touting Kerry's plan for Iraq.<br /><br />As to your question on assassination using drones? I believe we already do use drone for assassination. If I recall correctly didn't we take out some Al Quida members a while back using drones to blow them up while traveling through the desert in their cars?
 

woodrat

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"NON ANSWER, PLEASE JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. THIS WAS YOUR CANDIDATE THAT YOU DEDICATED TIME TRYING TO CONVICE THE REST OF US TO VOTE FOR."<br /><br />You either don't remember or are just being dishonest, pointer. I NEVER advocated that ANYONE vote for Kerry. I was really clear about that back then, and you guys who want everything to be black and white insisted that you knew that I was really a Kerry supporter, because I was not a W supporter. NOT TRUE, and never was. <br /><br />"Deflection, but again other non-answer" <br /><br />You were comparing apples to oranges with a disingenous question. If we were extrajudically executing US citizens on US soil with drone aircraft and rockets, then it would be a more honest comparison to extrajudically wiretapping US citizens on US soil. And since I don't think that the wiretapping is as carefully targeted as they say it is, I think the real comparison would be to be talking about blowing up an entire block in the suburbs with drone-launched rockets, because it was strongly suspected that a terrorist lived in that neighborhood. Now that we have a more accurate comparison, are you still in favor of that?<br /><br />You are comparing shooting foreign enemies on the battlefield to extrajudicially wire-tapping US citizens' phone calls at home.<br /><br />"A question with a question, non-answer. WHY NO ANSWERS?" <br /><br />Well, you are asking me to answer for something I never advocated, just like the kerry thing. Called a straw man, I believe, in college logic courses.
 

txswinner

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Darn look at all the big words being used. I am impressed and have out my Webster. <br /><br />Pointer I am disappointed in you. Caught in the ole canned conservative response drill. It unwise to play intellect game when you are not well equiped.
 

POINTER94

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We answer your questions? The response to ours is a tapdance. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. I did. <br /><br />If you don't like the source sobeit. Then discredit the factual information within. Not even attempted. But not unexpected. The Republican congress was forced to provide supplimentary bills to augment the clinton military budget. They attempted to do their part, but that doesn't absolve them of responsibility. Robbing a bank because there is no security don't change the serious nature of the crime. What exactly is wrong with PBS as a source? The heretage foundatation? If you don't like the source, why not debate them on substance and not inuendo or keyholing?<br /><br />Kerry master plan? Still waiting.<br /><br />Emotion over facts is the typical game played by liberals and class envy is the first sign of their weakness. Failing to have any ideas. I have to laugh at your ability to have no answers to anything except to criticize those making the efforts. <br /><br />Your sad attempt at misdirection is amusing. But once again not unexpected. I hear the left wing whine, wheres the plan. Oh yea, run away, another clinton legacy.<br /><br />________________________________________________________________<br />jmonica, thank you for at least taking the time to read my links and posts. What you took from them may not be what I did but you at least earned the opportunity to question my logic. But it is the intellectual dishonesty consistant with many who post here to whine and complain, but never take a moment to at least investigate the opposite point of view or to question their own positions that are hallmarks of the left. And yes, we do use drones to kill the enemy and the president can authorize their use. That is my point, why can he rub out an enemy's life but not listen to his phone calls?<br /><br />I do take exception to being called a plagiarist. I omitted to footnote due to haste, and that was a mistake, but you have been here long enough to recognize that was not my writing style. Where were the misspelled words? ;) If anyone here thought that was my writting, it wasn't. I lost the window and was too lazy to search it out and footnote. Nothing worse than Joe Biden. But still it is repleat with facts that nobody has attempted to refute. Kill the messenger ignore the message.<br /><br />This is what I got when I went to your source. Are you a plaugerist? :p As you have no intent and nor did I, I assume not.<br /><br />404 Not Found<br />/web/page.www was not found on this server. <br /><br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Resin 2.1.16 (built Tue Feb 15 11:12:27 PST 2005) <br />______________________________________________________________<br /><br />My facts as to how clinton descemated the military are there. Changing the topic or the blame doesn't change that fact.
 

jimonica

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Re: Anybody else listening to W?

Pointer said,<br /><br />"Kerry master plan? Still waiting."<br /><br />I gave you a link to Kerry's plan Pointer. You do know how to point and click don't you? :p Or you can just google "Kerry's plan for Iraq". Besides, as was pointed out to you several times now, no one is touting Kerry's plan on this thread.<br /><br />But the bigger question for you Pointer is, are you a plagiarist? :D :p I would really like to know if you are copying articles from blogs and trying to make us think they're you own words? :p <br /><br />And a second question for you Pointer is, why is okay for a Republican defense security (D!ck Cheney) to make massive cuts in military programs and when a Democrat administration continues with the same planed cuts, its wrong?<br /><br />BTW, I guess I misunderstood your question about it being okay to assassinate using drones but not okay to spy on US citizens without a court order.<br />I guess I misunderstood that question because there is NO FRIGGEN COMPARISON! :D :D :D
 

POINTER94

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Non answers<br /><br />I guess I misunderstood that question because there is NO FRIGGEN COMPARISON!<br /><br />You can't draw a comparison to the extent of presidential powers? All is lost.<br /><br />Nobody has answered my questions. As I couldn't get to your justification on Kerry (not that it doesn't exist). Was it Kerry's plan or someones interpretation of Kerry's plan? I was surprised you didn't get it from the Kerry web site. A man who could end the war didn't put his plan on his web site?<br /><br />NOTE:<br />Oh yea the FRIGGEN quote above come from jmonica from the previous post.<br /><br />Of course, if you think I plaugerized intentionally thats ok, I'm also a whites only racist if you believe some on this site. Of course so are you. I'm starting to get annoyed at some of the mean-spirited name calling on this site. What is this section of I-boats called? Dockside CHAT?
 

Skinnywater

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Re: Anybody else listening to W?

But it is the intellectual dishonesty consistant with many who post here to whine and complain, but never take a moment to at least investigate the opposite point of view or to question their own positions that are hallmarks of the left.
Not to be confused with a good many that do look at both sides, do investigate, do question all positions. <br /><br />Defending broken plans and policies seems to be the intent (hallmark) :p of both sides, when fixing them should be the course.
 
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