Al Gore, the pathetic, whining ecology prophet...

[QC]

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Now that's cool, I have my six signatures on "Random" and it came up with the Al Gore one . . . I'm headin' to Vegas, alone, in an SUV 8)

Edit: Oh, sorry I can't stop, in the minds of many Environmentalists there is not one person on this board that needs a boat. Especially a powered one, but I am sure the fact that Sailboats are often made of fiberglass, and require evil resins, that you can find a whole slug that don't like those either . . .

 

[woodrat]

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"Al Gore is a Buffoon, not a scientist"

Unlike the entire W administration, made up of the finest, most neutrally minded scientists available, right? I assume Rush must be a pretty highly educated and unbiased scientist too, since he goes on and on about his theories about global warming and you guys would never just buy something like that from someone with no qualifications, right? I wonder what his phD is in? meterology? oceanography?

To me, the idea that man has had NO effect on the climate is just about the most absurd thing imaginable. In a couple of hundred short years, we've extracted MILLIONS of years worth of carbon deposits out of the ground and put it in to the atmosphere. It would be totally irrational to assume that that has had NO effect on planetary systems. That whole theory is just a self-serving head in the sand denial that lets people keep on doing the same dumb stuff, year after year, while shrugging off any responsibility for the impact that their choices are having.

Of course people line up for MILES to drink tha Kool-Aid. It's comforting, isn't it?

 

[POINTER94]

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QC, Can you imagine if your sailboat was made of wood? Someone killing a helpless tree. A plant nourtured by Mother Nature and killed by evil capitalists for personal gain. It just sends a cold streak down my spine.

 

[Autotech1]

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I don't quite understand this obsession from the right to insist, in spite of all the evidence, that global warming does not exist.

PW2 READ!!

Global warming has been happening and I know that you may be a victim of it, but it is not happening at the hands of the Industrialized Free World. It is a cyclical fact of nature.

There are NO facts and evidence supporting Global Warming. There is only conjecture, circumstancial "evidence" and left wing funded studies claiming whatever dribble they wish to implant into whatever empty heads they wish

Did you know the Earths magnetic poles reverse in a regular cylce as well. This IS scientific FACT. You can bet you bottom end that this will play havoc on weather over a long term. The planet is a dynamic body, constantky changing and its so vaine to believ we could have any hand in its condition.

As an intellegent race, Human Beings have only been around for the tail-end of the last cycle, to even pretend we know what the Global weather should be is absolutely absurd.

 

[QC]

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Like i said, I can't stop. I read an article this week in an Aussie newspaper about some ancient, now exposed, reef. They are worried that this fossill is threatened because Global Warming is going to cause the sea to rise a "as much as 7 Metres in the next 50 years". No, not 7 centimeters, 7 meters, 23 feet!!!! OMG! Run!

Oh, and don't you love the irony? This now exposed fossilized reef, that I must assume was once under water, is threatened because it may be under water again . . . LMAO

 

[woodrat]

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"Global warming has been happening "

"There are NO facts and evidence supporting Global Warming."

These are both from one post by the same person... Sounds like some confusion here...

I'm certain that there are natural planetary cycles playing a role in Global climate change, but I think it is folly to pretend that we've contributed nothing to the process. It is just an excuse by the people in charge to keep on making $ and doing things the same old way for as long as possible. And plenty of people who aren't comfortable thinking about change or responsibility are lining up to gulp down a nice cool glass of that tasty, comforting koolaid as fast as the power players can make the stuff. Yum!

 

[woodrat]

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"QC, Can you imagine if your sailboat was made of wood? Someone killing a helpless tree. A plant nourtured by Mother Nature and killed by evil capitalists for personal gain. It just sends a cold streak down my spine. "

huh. Let's see, according to most people here, I am a bleeding-heart, koolaid-swilling, tree-hugging, America-hating liberal. Yet I cut down living trees and saw them up into boards with my american made SAWMILL and then build boats from the wood and sell wood, for American dollars, to others to make boats with..

Could it be that a bunch of you guys don't have a clue as to what you're talking about when you assign labels to people you disagree with?

 

[QC]

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woodrat,

How do you like the idea that there are living breathing human beings who hate you for what you do for a living? There are even some of them that could rationilize fire bombing your house . . . That is what I think this discussion is about.

 

[treedancer]

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Pointer seeing that boomyal posted two post, slamming lliberals,moderates ,and Gore in a nine minute space I assumed it was rhetorical as I stated before I started post.

I guess I could have kept it on Simi point by pointing out the harm to the atmosphere by air force one burning all that fuel going to a country that the "president" tried to avoid during the Vet Nam conflict.

Quote pointer
How about Gore's families legacy of racial segregation. Missed that one eh? But all that said, what does any of this have to do with the thread whatsoever?

Your right pointer I failed to point out that one, as well as this one, being the gentleman that I am I don’t like to swift boat any body …but will say one thing and leave a link to anyone that wants to look.

=== After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Whoops it slipped out so sorry.

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

 

[JasonJ]

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Too many people have little understanding of global warming and what causes it, and what effects it has on the planet. There is more to it that a few degrees temp increase. While it may be true that we only have a few hundred years of weather we have recorded, it is also true that we have natures record of weather over the last millions of years to refer to. Yes, the earth does cycle through weather patterns. These cycles are affected by volcanic activity, reversal of magnetic poles, the fact the the moon gets 1 inch farther away each year. these cycles take 1000s of years to occur, and they are not fully understood as of yet.

I personally do not buy into the alarmist theories. What I do buy into is the previously stated fact that we as a race have introduced more carbon into the atmosphere than can be removed by nature. I do not believe we need to get rid of every car on the planet. I do believe we have the ability to maximize our energy consumption to our benefit while creating this energy in a much cleaner way. The problem is as long as someone profits on the current way of energy production, we will continue down the same tired path. The other problem is as long as we allow fundamentalist enviro-psychos to limit our ability to create clean energy (nuclear), we will also be stuck. Yes, nuclear waste is a problem, but so is fossil fuel. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

We could launch all of our nuclear waste into the sun and be done with it. Can't do that with air polution. Al Gore is Al Gore, thats all I can say on that. We do have a problem, we just cannot say definatively the timeline of the problem. That is not an excuse to just "stay the course" on how we are living.

 

[POINTER94]

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Treedancer, even your rationalizations don't make sense. Boomer posted nothing to do with GW Bush. Neither of his posts had anything to do with your off topic rants. But hey, hate on. If you would like I could start a why I hate our President, and therapy referal post. Or how about Bill Clintons draft dodging techniques. But in reality, what is your point?

 

[woodrat]

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"woodrat,

How do you like the idea that there are living breathing human beings who hate you for what you do for a living? There are even some of them that could rationilize fire bombing your house . . . That is what I think this discussion is about."

I didn't see anywhere in here that THAT is what the post was about.

But all I have to do is check in at iBoats and I can encounter living, breathing human beings who seem to hate me and people like me for what I think or believe, or more accurately, what THEY think I think or believe, or what some whacko talking heads TOLD them I think or believe.

I don't think I'm any more likely to be firebombed by enviro extremists than I am to be firebombed by neo-con extremists. It's not a realistic fear of mine either way.

And please let's not pretend that there are not "conservative" whackos out there willing to engage in violence to accomplish their ends. My wife and I have been in family planning clinics that had thick bulletproof glass in all the windows and we had to sign in with a security guard because there had been so many murders of doctors and bombings of clinics. If you want to paint the entire liberal world with the brush of firebombing extremists, well, right back atcha dude...

JasonJ, your posts here are always a breath of fresh air. Thanks.

personally I don't think we should be talking about new nukes as long as we waste so much of the power we already produce. But I can see where people see the potential usefulness. Unfortunately, nuclear power has a terrible track record for longterm reliablity and cheap power production, without even considering what to do with the waste.

 

[QC]

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I didn't see anywhere in here that THAT is what the post was about.

I think scaring people to make money is exactly what this is about. And I think that alarmists of any type are guilty. I honestly believe that calling an abortion doctor a murderer is very wrong, acting on it even worse of course.

I don't think I'm any more likely to be firebombed by enviro extremists than I am to be firebombed by neo-con extremists. It's not a realistic fear of mine either way.

I believe both are out there and I believe both are evil.

If you want to paint the entire liberal world with the brush of firebombing extremists, well, right back atcha dude...

See above, nothing to be "back atcha" about.

personally I don't think we should be talking about new nukes as long as we waste so much of the power we already produce.

The whole issue concerning us not signing Kyoto, my points about power boats and wood is, who gets to decide what is waste?

 

[POINTER94]

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Who gets to choose? Why ALGORE of course. Al already told us that the internal combustion engine is the scurge of humanity. He will stop by, look at your stuff and inform you of what you have to get rid of. If he can't make it, an elected official will tell you. If you don't like that, count on the 9th circuit. They are here to help.

As far as comparing a person who kills to save a tree or a rat vs. someone who prevents a person from having their brains sucked out and removed with a needle doesn't register as equal in my book. Killing for any reason, is unacceptable. There is moral weight. I think anyone who kills an abortion doctor should get life or the chair just like anyone else. Just like a father who kills the person who kidnaped, tortured, raped repeatedly, then sucked the brain out of his daughter with a needle. Just because some killing is legal doesn't make it better. It is a disgusting practice that any person with a heart would be against. I love these threads about Al Gore. :|

I have no idea where these feeling of persecution come from on behalf of Woodrat, but if it helps, I don't hate you or anyone else who comes here. It fact I relish the dialoge.

 

[woodrat]

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pointer;

With a few exceptions, the whole tenor of the more "conservative" input to this forum constantly teeters on the edge of calling for the round up and internment of anyone who does not support this president and the Repubs %100. The rhetoric that gets used here is all about how we, the non-bush-loving iboaters (and everyone else who doesn't love W for that matter) are actually ENEMIES of America, rather than a part of it.

Coincidentally, this is the same kind of rhetoric that I hear every time I am unfortunate enough to encounter the Limbaugh show or the O'reilly factor, to name a couple of examples. Or let's just go straight to the top and quote our fearless leader himself "you're either with us or against us" or maybe Wild Shootin' **** himself: "people better watch what they say..."

This is perfectly in line with the last few years of conservative political theory, which asserts that ONLY republicans are true americans and therefore ONLY they have a right to govern. Everyone else is to be merely and barely tolerated-for now-but should be forbidden from actually participating in setting the course for the country as a whole.

The perpetual war concept is part and parcel of the conservatives' desire to have one party rule, forever. Too bad for them that there still are relatively functional elections, and that this time, the people really have had enough of one party rule.

And watching some of the dyed in the wool right-wingers here lashing out and throwing fits about how now the country will be invaded and made to speak arabic and french etc etc makes me realize that some people really do believe in the idea that their party should rule over everything. Which I find very disturbing.

 

[POINTER94]

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Woodrat,

My understanding of the formation of this country was based on freedom FROM the state. If you feel that taxing our gas, homes, property, clothes, roads, hunting rights, water, boats, hats, any service, internet, phone, cable, shovel, rake, candy bar, tire, and on and on and on, oh and yes even tea then perhaps you missed history. If you think that the state has the right to tell us how to use our property, raise our children, run our businesses, even conduct our lives, yea you are living in the wrong country. If you think that you should be allowed to use the government to get other taxpayers to bend to the will of the few, you might be in the wrong country. If you think that the government has the right to pass legislation or if you subscribe to using the courts to pass legislation by fiat, you might be in the wrong country.

If you feel threatened by Limbaugh or O'Reilley then just turn the station. There is litterly hundreds of opposing views. Far Far Far more than those who agree with your examples. But if freedom of speach offends you I am sure that there are some elected officials ready and willing to assist you in your desire to quiet dissenting voices. I am sorry you can't appreciate that this country was created for people who didn't want to be beholding to a government. A government who can capriciously tax and spend without regard to the core ethics of the founding fathers and the constitution then perhaps it is not the band that is out of step - it is just little Johnny. I mean if the founding fathers wanted snivelling little environmental freaks to use the law to instill greater rights to the snail darter or the spotted owl, any thinking person would have figured that the founding fathers might have thought to include the provision of the right of animals over the rights of landowners somewhere. But guess what, they didn't. I am sorry that isn't what you agree with. I am sorry that those who claim to support your views are nothing more than big government, restrainers of personal freedoms. I am sorry that others having what others can not afford offends so many of us. But simply stealing it by a tax code designed not to really level the playing field but bolster the power of an unresponsive government offends me more.

If you think that the past few years represents conservative politics you have no clue what conservative politics is. The fact that the socialists have lost to the communists doesn't mean that we have lived under a conservative administration recently. No far from it.

Enjoy the next few years as this country continues to devolve into social chaos. I am sure instilling special rights to the green ones while limiting the rights of the purple ones, while allowing to kill the uncolored ones, is something that needs immediate attention in some peoples world. The problem is it needs no attention at all. That was the plan.

 

[Boomyal]

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Woodrat,

My understanding of the formation of this country was based on freedom FROM the state. If you feel that taxing our gas, homes, property, clothes, roads, hunting rights, water, boats, hats, any service, internet, phone, cable, shovel, rake, candy bar, tire, and on and on and on, oh and yes even tea then perhaps you missed history.

How quickly you forget Pointer. Of course he believes in those things. Even though he would raise a tantrum, remember, 'a rose by any other name'. These people are socialists and just won't admit it.

 

[PW2]

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They actually do believe it, Woodrat, and it is indeed disturbing.

And the scientific methodology they employ re global warming is quite amazing.
Most scientists study their data, and then make their conclusions.

The righties already have their conclusions, and only choose the data (and if need be make it up) to support those conclusions.
It kind of takes the guesswork and drama out of scientific discovery, but then I guess that's the point.

 

[POINTER94]

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Thanks PW, now fall in line for the Kool-aid. Al Gore the pied piper to the weak minded. Great scientist, no way he formed a conclusion prior to his reawakening.

Good Grief.

 

[woodrat]

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You kind of skimmed right over most of what I was getting at, pointer, including the fact that the repub position on global warming as read to you by rush et al has almost nothing to do with the scientific method as it has been developed for several hundred years of WESTERN civilization.

You say Al is no scientist? Indeed not! And neither are any of your talking heads. In fact, the repub position on "science" is heavily afflicted by their ties to the fundamentalist extremists of THIS culture, who are intriniscally OPPOSED to many if not most modern scientific endevours.

So it's funny that you are demanding a real scientist...

By the way, it is the party in power right now that has grown government in a way that hasn't been seen since LBJ, a democrat. So your whole rant about how democrats really ARE enemies of freedom because they use grow government and use it to enact LAWS against things is really pretty pointless. Your man W and his republican Congress are some of the all time champions of borrow and spend and grower of bigger, more intrusive government.

Unless you happen to be one of those corporations, somehow given the same rights as people plus rights that people DON'T have...

Oh right... you only care if something like a snail darter gets more rights than a natural human. Corporations having those kinds of superior rights is just peachy-keen, right?