A small note on global warming.

[rolmops]

On Monday 10 leading USA corporations,including General Electric,Alcoa,Dupont and Caterpillar,launched a coalition with four environmental groups to push for mandatory federal emmission controls.
The corporate leaders pledged to work for specific targets to reduce current levels of carbon dioxide and airborne pollutants by 60 to 80 percent over the next 43 years.
For more information, google San Jose Mercury News.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: A small note on global warming.

Rumor has it GW is going to address GW tonight. Might he actually admit it's existence? What will our Neocon contingent have to day about that? Stay tuned...

 

[DJ]

Re: A small note on global warming.

I'm sure they deem it better to be perceived on the side of popular public opinion than in opposition.

Whether the phenom is real or not, or the cause, doesn't matter.

 

[gspig]

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Big commitment on industries part. Normal technological advancements would occur in the 43 year timeframe without government intervention.

 

[aspeck]

Re: A small note on global warming.

Global warming exists - there have been global warmings and coolings throughout history. What is under contention is whether it is a man-made phenomenon or not. Lot's of evidence points to it being natural, rather than man-made.

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: A small note on global warming.

...Lot's of evidence points to it being natural, rather than man-made.

To play a neocon game, do you have links to that?
8)

 

[CJY]

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Global warming exists - there have been global warmings and coolings throughout history. What is under contention is whether it is a man-made phenomenon or not. Lot's of evidence points to it being natural, rather than man-made.

Not true. What is in contention is whether or not man is worsening the effects of GW.

GW is natural, I agree. What is not natural is the amount of CO2 man releases into the air when burning fossil fuels.

 

[oddjob]

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or farts!8)

 

[QC]

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I'm sure they deem it better to be perceived on the side of popular public opinion than in opposition.

Whether the phenom is real or not, or the cause, doesn't matter.

The fact is that it makes no difference whether it is real or not as DJ has so clearly pointed out. Perception is reality. That's why I am perceived as an idiot for complaining about second hand smoke insanity. There was a flippin' radio add last night spoofing Iraq war deaths, but replacing them with the number who die annually from second hand smoke := How ludicrous and offensive :| But again, it doesn't matter.

You knuckleheads that believe like Al that this is "the greatest threat facing mankind" go ahead and send valuable resources down the drain. Don't worry, I'll make sure that at least some resources remain to handle child abuse, violent crime, the FACT that there are millions of people bent on killing my family and eliminating my way of life, infectious diseases, hunger, violent dictators and really bad people doing really bad stuff . . .

 

[Haut Medoc]

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You knuckleheads that believe like Al that this is "the greatest threat facing mankind" go ahead and send valuable resources down the drain. Don't worry, I'll make sure that at least some resources remain to handle child abuse, violent crime, the FACT that there are millions of people bent on killing my family and eliminating my way of life, infectious diseases, hunger, violent dictators and really bad people doing really bad stuff . . .

Uh, how is being concerned with global warming detrimental to all of the other things listed?
While I agree that it is not the top priority, I don't think it should be completely dismissed either.....
There was a flippin' radio add last night spoofing Iraq war deaths, but replacing them with the number who die annually from second hand smoke How ludicrous and offensive But again, it doesn't matter.
That should bolster the argument for thr Iraqi war....
Only three thousand killed, way less than second hand smoke
It is a no-brainer that second hand smoke is bad for you....
No one knows how bad though....

 

[CJY]

Re: A small note on global warming.

Haut, I completely agree. I guess some may only have room for one thing on their plate at a time. Talk about knuckleheads.

I may feel differently though if I somehow had my hand in the oil business. I don't, so I am not biased by that fact.

 

[QC]

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You're still missing the point. Chasing phantom stuff and lying about other stuff (second hand smoke) absolutely changes the level of focus on real issues. It is as plane as day there above, but you want to defend it. Al Gore has said numerous times that Global Warming is the biggest threat to mankind that we face. I say that it is:

a: total BS (the threat level part)
b: an absolute diversion of resources
c: illuminating as to the fog some people live in
d: and finally, if it is caused by man to ANY degree, we cannot do anything about it unless we start exterminating people. (see note about really bad people doing really bad stuff)

 

[QC]

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I may feel differently though if I somehow had my hand in the oil business. I don't, so I am not biased by that fact.

KMA, my job and paycheck are both enhanced by these fears.

 

[CJY]

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You're still missing the point. Chasing phantom stuff and lying about other stuff (second hand smoke) absolutely changes the level of focus on real issues. It is as plane as day there above, but you want to defend it. Al Gore has said numerous times that Global Warming is the biggest threat to mankind that we face. I say that it is:

a: total BS (the threat level part)
b: an absolute diversion of resources
c: illuminating as to the fog some people live in
d: and finally, if it is caused by man to ANY degree, we cannot do anything about it unless we start exterminating people. (see note about really bad people doing really bad stuff)

Simply dismissing the importance does not relegate it to "phantom stuff." Nor does Al Gore place it at the top of my priority list.

I agree with you. There are some very bad things going on in the world. I refuse to ignore the other problems though. The problems you may believe are of little significance.

"d: and finally, if it is caused by man to ANY degree, we cannot do anything about it unless we start exterminating people. (see note about really bad people doing really bad stuff)[/quote]"

Simply not true.

 

[CJY]

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KMA?

Sorry, I don't have a handle on all abbreviations.

 

[DJ]

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CJY,

When Al Gore starts flying "public", I'll listen.

Until then, the "pundits" of all global, doom and gloom, are just that-pundits.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: A small note on global warming.

KMA?

Sorry, I don't have a handle on all abbreviations.

I believe he said:
Kiss my grits!

 

[QC]

Re: A small note on global warming.

Let's just say KMA was said at the height of my anger at you assuming that to be honest there cannot be a monetary link to the falsehood . . .

I'll change my last one to read "d: and finally, if it is caused by man to ANY degree, we cannot do anything significant about it unless we start exterminating people. (see note about really bad people doing really bad stuff)".

Are you prepared to deny the peoples of China and Africa the living standard that we enjoy? If not, how are you going to propose we have a net reduction in greenhouse gasses while also maintaining our standard of living? How are you going to accomplish that while simultaneously fighting Nuclear Energy? How are you going to do that without any real chance at the equally BS Hydrogen economy? How are you going to do it while Petroleum products are still a legally traded commodity? How are you going to do it while also feeding Billions that require farming and cattle and fishing boats and shipping and airplanes? I know the one way that you can accomplish it. Population reduction. Rock on dude . . .

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: A small note on global warming.

Global warming exists - there have been global warmings and coolings throughout history. What is under contention is whether it is a man-made phenomenon or not. Lot's of evidence points to it being natural, rather than man-made.

Not true. What is in contention is whether or not man is worsening the effects of GW.

GW is natural, I agree. What is not natural is the amount of CO2 man releases into the air when burning fossil fuels.

Hey CJY, Isn't that is just an attempt by the America hating left to make their 'scary' argument a li'l more logical, to further their adjenda to collect more taxes and let their buds the Chinese crush us, (since Al didn't think it a big deal to consider the world's fasting growing major economy, 'coarse ol' Al did get those li'l bags full o' cash from those impoverished Monks; remember CJY)? I think the GW and or Global Cooling happened fairly rapidly in the past as well. Don't ya think the situation changed quickly the last time ol' Yellowstone cracked one off? Somethin' ta ponder 'bout don't ya think there CJY? Respectfully JR

 

[aspeck]

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4487421.html

http://www.jamesspann.com/wordpress/?p=650

i know better than to get involved in these threads - BP can't handle it!