89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repairs.

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Next morning after it had set up overnight, I used a wooden dowel to tap it out and voila... perfect smooth hole the right diameter, no drilling, no exposed wood.[/QUOTE]

Do you think drilling thru the peanut butter might not be a good idea, or that it may not be smooth?

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

I've done that before, and then fitted a brass draintube. However, on my Chryler rebuild, I found a piece of PVC pipe the right diameter, coated it with candle wax, and put it in the middle of the PB.

Next morning after it had set up overnight, I used a wooden dowel to tap it out and voila... perfect smooth hole the right diameter, no drilling, no exposed wood.

Do you think that drilling thru the peanut butter may not be a good idea, or that it may not be smooth?

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Just a different way to accomplish the same thing. I will mention that the drain tube needs to be sealed into the thru hole, so if you get any wax in the thru hole it needs to come off before installing the tube....

Drilling the PB is common & when you seal the tube into the thru hole, the hole doesn't really need to be smooth.......

 

[bvetter]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

I've heard using a Forstner bit works well to get a smooth bore through PB. Have not tried it yet, but will let you know in a few weeks when I get to that point.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Well the weather is warming up and i had a chance to glass the motor box, rear part of the deck and the front deck pieces in CSM. Also glassed the rear transom boxes. One thing i have come to realize is that fiberglassing is nasty, nasty work, This will be the only boat i ever do. Just nasty.I didnt wear my mask thinking that being outside would be ok. BAD idea. I have a wicked head ache. I ran out of resin and CSM so couldnt get the bigger part of the deck done. it did get to wet it out thou. Over all im am happy with the outcome based on my rookie skills. It started to rain and had to hurry to put everything away, so no pics yet, will get those up hopefully tomorrow. Have a small amount of resin so may try to make some PB for the drain plug hole.......well see.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

I've heard using a Forstner bit works well to get a smooth bore through PB. Have not tried it yet, but will let you know in a few weeks when I get to that point.
1999 Celebrity 190 BR Restoration Efforts:
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restor...ir-636552.html


Sounds good. I have a regular hole saw so plan on using that. I dont plan on putting pvc piping on the hole after. Are you?

 

[bvetter]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

I've heard using a Forstner bit works well to get a smooth bore through PB. Have not tried it yet, but will let you know in a few weeks when I get to that point.
1999 Celebrity 190 BR Restoration Efforts:
http://forums.iboats.com/boat-restoration-building-hull-repair/boat-restor...ir-636552.html


Sounds good. I have a regular hole saw so plan on using that. I dont plan on putting pvc piping on the hole after. Are you?

Nope. Coring a hole through the PB then sealing up the inside with gelcoat should be good enough I imagine.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Nope. Coring a hole through the PB then sealing up the inside with gelcoat should be good enough I imagine.

I agree bvetter. I have to say, you are doing a super job on your Celebrity. Your craftsmanship surpasses mine hands down. I try my best but I think the biggest difference is that im not using 1708. It looks easy to work with. CSM and roving is a pain in my rear end. Its funny, yesterday I said I will never fiberglass another boat again, but today, Im thinking of my next project.:lol: Its like child birth. The wives all say the day of delivery that this child will be the only one, and then boom------ another one. LOL

 

[bvetter]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Its funny, yesterday I said I will never fiberglass another boat again, but today, Im thinking of my next project.:lol: Its like child birth. The wives all say the day of delivery that this child will be the only one, and then boom------ another one. LOL

You couldn't have hit the nail flatter on the head, spot on sir! :laugh:

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai


Well the first picture is my foot. I took a header at a work soccer game and sprained my ankle. So its been hell getting in and out of the boat. The rest of the pictures are some deck pieces, rear transom box, and the motor box. Also the new transom gasket install on the gimble. I managed to save a few pieces that were not rotten. I figured it could do no harm to re-use them. Next step it to apply second layer of CSM to the deck, finish up the transom, stringers and motor mounts. Looking for a nice day to continue. Might take a day off, this way i can open up a can of hate on this project.
incase you are wondering what the white spots on the wood are, its just the wood stained with paint. I sanded it all down but some still shows thru. The reason I used that wood with paint is because its marine ply that had some paint on it. I paid 10 bucks a sheet from a local supplier. I would rather deal with the white spots and have marine ply. I used exterior grade in some areas and you can tell difference. The marine is much stronger. So thats the reason, and.........its a bayliner!:laugh:

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai



Ok today I drilled out all the transom holes ovesized then filled them with peanut butter. Also did this with the drain hole. (first time making it seemed to go easy) I plan on drilling thru the peanut butter so that there is no way water can get at my transom. This is what killed it the first time, thru one of the D hooks.
Im working on a gravel driveway so tend to drag in dirt and stones as you can see in the picks. The dirt is not in the reson/glass. I got both bulk heads glassed in. Next step is to finish up the transom, mounts and stringers with the glass lay ups.
One thing I have noticed is that Im not as good as some of the other guys on this forum with regards to glass work. You guys probably seen better. Im trying my best and am looking to make it as strong as possible. I plan on covering my work with bilge kote, so i guess any work that looks sketchy may look better when i paint it.

 

[bigdirty]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Hey man, its lookin good from here! Making good headway it seams, now that spring finally showed up right? :lol: And ya... uh, i swore a month ago I'd never buy another boat that needed so much work... and now I'm considering one that needs a bulkhead repaired, stringers re glassed to hull, and a motor swap... :facepalm:

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Hey man, its lookin good from here! Making good headway it seams, now that spring finally showed up right? :lol: And ya... uh, i swore a month ago I'd never buy another boat that needed so much work... and now I'm considering one that needs a bulkhead repaired, stringers re glassed to hull, and a motor swap... :facepalm:

Thanks Big Dirty! Well if you want to be on the water this year maybe you should try find a turn key boat.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Question -- When I pulled the floor up i noticed that the deck was not glued to the hull except where it was tabbed to the sides. Im second guessing if i need to glue it down first then tab it in? Just not sure. If Im required to glue it down should I use PB? Also does the same apply to the stringer to deck contact. I seem to running this scenario over and over in my head and its driving me nuts. Just want to do whats right but also do not want to waste my resources either.

 

[JASinIL2006]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

I used PB to glue the deck to the stingers, with stainless steel screws for good measure. The edge of the deck was attached to the hull primarily with tabbing.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

"Fabricating Decks, Stringers, and Transoms"

Follow the graphic WOG made ^^^. Instead of 1708, you'll use 18oz roving, BUT because it doesn't have CSM stitched to the back of it, you'll need to put a layer of CSM between the 2 layers of roving.

I've never used 18oz roving, but it may be more difficult to get it to roll up over the cove fillet and up & over the top of the stringers. It'll probably do it, but might lift & create an air pocket. You can try to use pins to hold it where you put it. As a heavy weave, it may also sag.

So i made a big boo boo on saturday. In haste, I tried to glass a 2 foot section of the stringers when the temp was to cold outside. I dont know what i was thinking!! Anyway I had to grind it all off on sunday as it looked awful and was full of air pockets. One thing i did notice was it was hard to get it to lay flat ontop of the stringers. The stringers are rounded on top. The question I have is, can I just roll one layer of glass over top of the stringer to seal it and the rest just up the sides? I found the roving very hard to lay flat. Maybe with better temperatures things would have gone smoother. Just wondering if i have to roll every layer of csm and roving over top?

cheers,

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Since you're using Poly and woven roving here's what you need to do on your stringers. Tab them to the deck with CSM. Run it From the Top of the stringer out onto the hull about 6". When it tacks up Put on a layer of WR half way up the stringer and 3" out on the deck. Put on another layer of CSM and then a Final layer of WR this time all the way to the top of the stringer and 6" out onto the hull. Now Apply 2 Layers of CSM over the top of the Stringer to Seal it. NO WR is needed on top of the Stringer. Cut all the CSM strips and WR strips prior to installation and you can do a wet on wet install and the bond will be awesome. That's how I'd do it.

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai

Since you're using Poly and woven roving here's what you need to do on your stringers. Tab them to the deck with CSM. Run it From the Top of the stringer out onto the hull about 6". When it tacks up Put on a layer of WR half way up the stringer and 3" out on the deck. Put on another layer of CSM and then a Final layer of WR this time all the way to the top of the stringer and 6" out onto the hull. Now Apply 2 Layers of CSM over the top of the Stringer to Seal it. NO WR is needed on top of the Stringer. Cut all the CSM strips and WR strips prior to installation and you can do a wet on wet install and the bond will be awesome. That's how I'd do it.

Thanks so much WOG.......Im confident now! thanks again. will post the after pics when done

 

[Speak]

Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai


Another piece of the interior done. And the collection that is building in the corner of my bedroom. Man my wife is riding my A** about these boat parts sitting there .Hahahaha lol she wont care so much when she is sun bathing while sitting on new fabric.

 

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Re: 89 Bayliner capr Stringer/transom replacei-Question about winter fiberglass repai


well I have the deck on and as of tonight have it tabbed to the hull. I have to put one more layer of CSM and roving on the engine mounts. Then tab the front and rear seat bases in. Im hoping for the end of June to be all done.One thing i learned today was this. Black flies dont like resin fumes....LOL they were biting the crap out of me when I was measuring and cutting CSM. But as soon as i started mixing the resin they buggered right off.....it was like an invisible force field. It started to pour rain so I had to give up the quest tonight. I think Big Dirty suffered the same weather troubles tonight as I did.