1997 Johnson 50 runs rough at 2000rpm

skookum

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1997 Johnson 50hp 2-stroke runs rough between 2000 and 2400 rpm both when accelerating and when deccelerating. It idles about as smooth as you can expect from a 2 cylinder motor and runs smooth through the rest of the rpm range. Put new plugs in, no change. Can I tune this out with the idle mixture screws or does it sound more like a timing issue?
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1997 Johnson 50 runs rough at 2000rpm

John.... It's unlikely that problem is a timing issue, but it could be a synchronization issue that is associated with the timing.<br /><br />Check to make sure that the throttle butterflies are not open at dead idle, then check the linkages between carburetors to make sure that all throttle butterflies open and close at the same time. At dead idle, both closed, not one closed and one slightly open.<br /><br />Check the throttle roller that slides against the cam. Many of those rollers have a clear exterior coating that will break and flake away. The roller is usually about 3/8" in diameter, if it looks like a smaller black roller (about 1/4" or so), replace it.<br /><br />There is a scribe mark on the cam. The throttle butterflies should just start to open when that scribe mark is dead center with the roller, not before.<br /><br />There is always a possibility that, due to altitute etc, that the intermediate jets at that point which are just starting to mix with the high speed jets, may be the wrong size but I'd leave this area as a last resort.<br /><br />If those carburetors have slow speed adjustable needle valves, the adjustment procedure would be as follows.<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.<br /><br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.<br /> <br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.<br /><br />Let us know what you find.
 

skookum

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Re: 1997 Johnson 50 runs rough at 2000rpm

Thanks for the advice Joe!<br /><br />I will check everything you mentioned this weekend and readjust the needle valves.<br /><br />You mentioned altitude might be to blame. I'm currently running this motor in mile-high lakes in the Yellowstone area. Using a 13 pitch prop to get the revs up in the right range. Next month I'll have it at sea-level. It will be interesting to see if the problem goes away. I'm interested to know if you think rejetting is essential for high elevation operation. Thanks again.
 

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Re: 1997 Johnson 50 runs rough at 2000rpm

John.... I don't know whether it would be necessary to rejet or not. I think I'd live with it if for no other reason, to see if the problem vanishes when you return to sea level.<br /><br />When the slow speed fixed jet setup first came into existence (1973), we found that many engines simply would not start unless we enlarged those jets by .002.... and this happened in southern New Jersey. Weird happenings.
 
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