1987 16' Larson Citation DC 170 w 90hp OB Mariner restore

zcapogna

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Longtime reader of iboats.com. I retired from the service last year and now that I'm stable, my Dad sent me his 16' 1987 Larson Citation DC 170 with 90hp OB Mariner engine. Bottom line up front: the boat is completely rotted and most would recommend disposing and getting a water-ready boat. Here are a few factors affecting my decision to restore followed by my first of many calls for advice:

My kids are heavily involved in sports and we won't be able to dedicate much time to boating in the near future.
There is some nostalgia with the boat as I was there with my Dad to pick out lin 87, I took my girlfriend (now wife) out on the Columbia in 91, and this boat is the last item my Dad has from his past.
I have all the time in the world to restore with no pressure from the family...and the wife supports.

Here is an explanation on condition of boat: wood decking beyond rotted, some exterior damage to fiberglass but the boat still floats and does not take on water, engine runs fine but will stall after lengthy run at high idle. And everything else you'd expect: carpet trashed, gelcoat toast, all seats rotted. Trailer is 2-axel ez loader. New tires, plenty of rust. But held the boat from Lubbock TX to Dayton OH.

I'll try and post a few picks and welcome all advice. I have read many forums here over the years as I temporarily had the boat in 2010 prior to shipping off overseas until returning in 2016. I've watched plenty of youtube explaining rotted floor equals rotted stringers and bulkheads. I understand to use marine grade wood for best results and fiberglass bottom and top of everything. Otherwise I don't know much. Never rebuilt a boat before.

Okay, my apologies for blabbering. First situation and request for advice. I have not found a video or picts of a 16' 87 Larson OB rebuild. I've pulled back the carpet, removed the fuel tank and noticed today the decking and carpet continue under the helm and bow. That surprised me. I thought that would all be fiberglass but now I see the boat was built like a sandwich with the middle layer wood and carpet. I'm sure the wood under the helm and bow (using wrong terms) needs replaced. However the only way I see to do that is to cut the top of the boat off and fiberglass back in. Anyone confirm if that's true. If so may explain why many say junk the boat. If true, that is beyond my skill and I would plan to stop deck removal under the helm. Any concerns? I'll stop here. I'm open and thankful for all advice and your patients during this project.
 

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Tried to upload a picture but I'm too green. The size needed to upload kept decreasing as I screwed up. Maybe someone can point me to the location of screwed-up uploads? Would appreciate it. Will upload a smaller picture for now. 20200620_2212451.jpg
 

zcapogna

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Okay, I'm replying to myself;) But oh well. As I continue to learn (starting from zero) I see the top of the boat is held on with screws hidden neatly under the rubber strip that rings the boat. Huge relief for my project. Now I see I just need to remove all the screws and pull the top off. The I can do a complete (and long-overdue overhaul of the wood).
Now I just need advice for removing the motor. I will buy or build (probably buy) a motor transport rack. Happy to get recommendations for how to lift it off. Thinking likely have to pay/borrow a hoist from local boat store. Any other suggestions? Safe ones? 20200622_0023411.jpg20200622_0023541.jpg
 

zcapogna

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1987 16" Larson Citation rebuild

Well that's a twist. I am starting a rebuild of 87 16" Larson Citation. Never done this before and to the point where I see the cap must come off to completely replace stringers and flooring. I had intended to do on the roller trailer. Never thought the boat could deform or collapse. Any suggestions based on pictures to workarounds? I don't see being able to remove from the trailer. If I can't do it in the garage with basic skills, I'll probably have to junk the boat.
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zcapogna

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Continuing to read. Thanks for the posting referring to blocking boat. Looks like that's my next learning objective. It's looking like this is a 12-month project. Short term goals are getting the engine off the boat and the boat off the trailer, blocked in the garage. Decent youtube video here of a gentleman rebuilding his boat. His videos are step by step starting with blocking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRvTDlQ0tys
 

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I see you did. Very good. This is where to ask away. :] Post pics nobody realy wants to go to uboob.
Yup you will need a cradle.
 

zcapogna

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Thanks for the response kcassells. At this point in my project, I am debating just replacing the flooring, stringers, and bulkheads up to the area of the helm. I can't get further without removing cap. I am new to this, have a pretty busy schedule with work travel and kids sports, and don't have the easy access to space that would make a full reno reasonable. I am considering do 75 percent now, and once the kids are off to college (or don't want anything to do with mom and dad;) tear the boat all the way down. The only part I wouldn't be able to replace is under the front where this model boat has the typical fiberglass seating area. If I go with the 75% solution, I can get this old girl in the water this year with new wiring, nav unit, radio, speakers, replacement mounts for the ski tripod etc. Probably only use the boat 3 or 4 times per year. So glad for iboat.com Its such a great resouce for guys like me with no experience. I've already learned here how not to cut a hole in the boat through the floor, and how to not cause the hull to collapse when removing the cap. Invaluable ;-) 20200605_1352101.jpg
 

zcapogna

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Been awhile so thought I would throw on an update. After much research (I have zero boat restoration skills) and learning I needed to remove the deck (also called cap) to replace my floor, and realizing I needed to support the boat in a manner that the shape wouldn't change after removing old floor...I abandoned the DIY and found a local craftsman to do the job. Cost is about $10K to disassemble and rebuild. I've tried to attach a few pictures.

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sopwithcamel74

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No shame at all in going this route. Looks like they did it the right way; given you mentioned not having a place to do a full/proper restore, this was the best approach other than buying something water-ready. And, given the sentimental value that it has for you and your family, you did right by both yourself and them.

Congrats! Hoping to see more of her here!
 

Grub54891

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Very similar to mt rebuild. Mines an 85 i/o though. I'm plugging away it, all thats left is putting it together. and some paint. I'll have to find pics as the old computer took a dump with my pics.
 
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