1985 Starcraft SS 160 with 75HP Mercury Outboard restoration and upgrades

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Im very selective on when i go out on the big lake .Wind has to be coming out of the south so it has no time to build up .Anything out of the north usually means fairly big waves build up by the time it gets to my end so i avoid those days.Yes ,having a wonky engine on the big boy is just asking for trouble.
 

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The least used thing on my boats after years on the water is a bilge pump. A good reliable 800 gph pump on a float switch with a manual override is a must and something you want to test before going out every day. I never have seen the need for having a doubled up bilge pump set up but lots of guys think they do. About the only way to overwhelm a single pump is to have the boat be swamped over the stern and then no amount of bilge pumps will be able to clear out the water. I've never seen a boat not sink stern first as that's where the most weight is.

This guy in the video obviously did not have a functioning bilge pump. Take a look, I tried to set it to start at 9 minutes in but you can fast forward to the good part where the woman has a little pail she's trying to use to bail out the water.

 
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How many people are in your 160 at any time?I have a 1976 ss160 and i took out those idiotic back to back seats and put in 2 swivel pedestals.Sure frees up a fair amount of room.I have a 2011 60 hp evinrude etec on the back and a 74 6hp johnson sits right beside it for a kicker right on the transom.Just perfectly fits so both have their full range of movement.I also frequently fish on lake superior mostly out of Gros Cap just west of my town of Sault Ste Marie Ontario.

Heh, I was looking at converting the boat between a pleasure boat with two of those back to back lounge seats, plus a ski post coming up from the rear deck, and a fishing boat with two livewells with seats on them, a fishing platform in the bow with a removable baitwell, a fishing seat in the back where the ski post was. Oh, and be able to switch between the two in about an hour. So, a convertible fish and ski boat. Should be a fun project.
 

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The least used thing on my boats after years on the water is a bilge pump. A good reliable 800 gph pump on a float switch with a manual override is a must and something you want to test before going out every day. I never have seen the need for having a doubled up bilge pump set up but lots of guys think they do. About the only way to overwhelm a single pump is to have the boat be swamped over the stern and then no amount of bilge pumps will be able to clear out the water. I've never seen a boat not sink stern first as that's where the most weight is.

This guy in the video obviously did not have a functioning bilge pump. Take a look.


Not only that, but he had enough warning to see something was wrong. That much water coming over my stern? "Cut that damn rope, we're heading for shore, full throttle."

My favorite part? "Hmm, the stern is sitting low in the water... Let's add a third person back there for more weight." Shortly after the skipper went back there, and LEANED OVER THE BACK, it sank. So much fail in that video...
 

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It's impossible to put them back in the wrong order unless you really try or take it completely apart. I didn't take them completely apart as I didn't have a small punch to remove the float pins. I don't have a tachometer of any kind, but would love to install one. Any thoughts on this one?

I was referencing the carbs for each cylinder. Some of these old engines have a particular order that the carbs have to go back in even though they look exactly the same. Not sure if your engine falls into that category. You thought about doing another rebuild of your carbs again? Did you remove and clean out under your welch plugs? You can get cheap punch set from harbor freight for under $5 to redo your float kit.

For the tach, first is finding out if your motor already has been setup with wiring for it. Once identified how it is wired, just getting a simple tach for reference is easy enough. You can pick up a cheapo off fleabay for $15 or you can go and get a true marine tach for $50-$100


I'd prefer to stick with a thru transom if possible. I'm not familiar with anything beyond a strainer screen on the outside. Lol. I should really do some research...

Ya, I was really going overkill with looking at a seachest. Don't think I have room to do one... LOL

I had a similar plan, and still working it out. I wanted an 800 GPH automatic for everyday use with an indicator light to let me it's running. Then an 1100 GPH for a crash pump as well, and I like the idea of the horn. Throw in an emergency klaxon horn to get attention from anyone in range? I'm going to be be on lakes 99.99% of the time. The biggest body of water I may find myself on is Lake Superior, and at that point I'll also have a flare gun, marine radio, and full 24-72 hour marine survival kit. All shoved on the boat...somewhere...

So the horn I was planning on putting on for the automatic switch. Can't remember whose thread I saw it in, but they referenced there's was going and they didn't know it. Finally figured it out when battery was dead and boat was partially submerged. That way I will know if I am taking on more water then I should. Also plan to install a little toggle switch so I can turn the horn off if I think it is getting annoying.

Weather and currents are my biggest fears on that lake, which is why I'll probably not go on it with my boat, especially with the persistent engine issues...

Boating within your limits is always good. With as small a boat we have I don't plan on exiting the bay or going out past the jetties. Sorry, but going a couple miles off shore just for some fish isn't worth the risk in my opinion.
 

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I was referencing the carbs for each cylinder. Some of these old engines have a particular order that the carbs have to go back in even though they look exactly the same. Not sure if your engine falls into that category. You thought about doing another rebuild of your carbs again? Did you remove and clean out under your welch plugs? You can get cheap punch set from harbor freight for under $5 to redo your float kit.

For the tach, first is finding out if your motor already has been setup with wiring for it. Once identified how it is wired, just getting a simple tach for reference is easy enough. You can pick up a cheapo off fleabay for $15 or you can go and get a true marine tach for $50-$100

I knew what you meant. My carbs have right angle connects for the fuel lines. One points up, the other points down. Plus there is the connector between the carbs for the throttle plate. One has it on top, the other on the bottom. Unless you strip these all the way down and take apart every last component, which I did not do, it is physically impossible to put them in backwards. Also, they are identical other then how things were mounted. Just in case, though, I kept all parts separate and with each carb to avoid mixing up parts.

So the horn I was planning on putting on for the automatic switch. Can't remember whose thread I saw it in, but they referenced there's was going and they didn't know it. Finally figured it out when battery was dead and boat was partially submerged. That way I will know if I am taking on more water then I should. Also plan to install a little toggle switch so I can turn the horn off if I think it is getting annoying.

When I was in trucking we had a light and buzzer in the dash that went off when we received a critical message, like info about the load changing, we're no longer bringing it to the destination and are swapping with another driver, etc. The red light would go on and the buzzer would sound to get our attention, but thankfully there was a switch to turn off the buzzer, though the light would remain on until the message was read. I was going to wire in something similar. A red warning light and a buzzer with a switch to kill the buzzer so I don't abandon ship just to get away from it.

Like this:

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Boating within your limits is always good. With as small a boat we have I don't plan on exiting the bay or going out past the jetties. Sorry, but going a couple miles off shore just for some fish isn't worth the risk in my opinion.

I would have no issue venturing further out if either a) the motor ran perfectly with no issues or b) I had a 15-20 HP kicker/emergency motor. My 55lb trolling motor gets us up to a decent speed, but we'd probably run out of power before getting back to shore.
 

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The least used thing on my boats after years on the water is a bilge pump. A good reliable 800 gph pump on a float switch with a manual override is a must and something you want to test before going out every day. I never have seen the need for having a doubled up bilge pump set up but lots of guys think they do. About the only way to overwhelm a single pump is to have the boat be swamped over the stern and then no amount of bilge pumps will be able to clear out the water. I've never seen a boat not sink stern first as that's where the most weight is.

My concern is getting a hole in the hull and trying to keep the water out long enough to get back to shore and to avoid having the stern sink and then having it swamped and be beyond all hope of recovery.

Like this boat and how the pump bought them enough time to be towed in.


You can see the bilge pump is pumping it's heart out, and he just made it back before the stern sank too far. That's my reason for doubling up the bilge pump.
 

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The livewell set up I put in my SS has a drain on the side near the bottom on the aft end that goes out the transom and I use a regular bilge plug in it since the drain fitting is 1-1/8" dia. On the same aft end but opposite side near the top I have the overflow drain 1-1/8" drain fitting that goes out the side of the hull above the waterline. The aerator pump 3/4" line goes to a nozzle on the fore end of the livewell so the water has to travel the length of the 30" well to exit. To add another pump and the plumbing to recirculate water would be quite a bit of hassle and cost over just adding a bubbler.

Can I get pictures and a diagram of your set up? I am hoping we have the same livewell.
 

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Without having a drain in the very bottom and a well like a sink, yeah there's some water. I rinse well then use a sponge to soak up what little water is left if not using the boat the next day..
 

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I made post up with LW info on my SS thread, take a look. http://forums.iboats.com/forum/owner...7#post10423067

I'll probably end up doing something like that when I design the removable fishing platform for the bow.

When my fianc?e and I first started talking about restoration, we agreed we wanted to keep the original look of the boat. We are going to try to match everything to the original, with some subtle and hidden updates like LED bow and stern lights, LED red/green strips hidden under the lip of the bow so we have visible lights when the trolling motor is on, and a few other things. We're also going to make it a fish and ski boat, making it convertible between the two purposes, and without it looking like a hack job. When it's in fishing configuration or ski configuration, it will look like it is built for only that.
 

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Btw, if you anchor up for fishing, I can't recommend enough getting two anchors. We had one off the port bow and another off the starboard quarter. We did not move or drift more than a couple inches as the anchors settled.

Oh, and casting anchor in weeds somehow causes them to gain weight... Ours doubled in weight and size. Lol.
 

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Instead of a life ring I did a life guard throw device so it would fit in my sidepanels... Just a thought.

That sinking boat was pretty something and yeah a lot of newbie mistakes too. That's why I don't post GoPro videos šŸ˜‚. (Side note, I typed "videos" and the phone auto corrected to "evidence")
 

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Short term pain but long term gain. That boat will be a blast when done. Should have done a outboard boat as I'd use it more. The inboards are a bit more work overall.
 

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Without having a drain in the very bottom and a well like a sink, yeah there's some water. I rinse well then use a sponge to soak up what little water is left if not using the boat the next day..


Thanks WM

Do you have any support under the liner or is it sitting directly on your deck underneath? Do you think the liner could support by itself or it needs extra support underneath?
 

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I debated what to do about that support or no support issue. I didn't want the liner lip supporting 160 lbs of water so I ended up supporting it.The liner was just over 5/8" above the bottom deck so I used the top deck hatch cutout piece for a support under the liner, I glued on a piece of carpet on the support piece for the liner to rest on. The entire back deck and around the well is framed with 1/8 in x 2 in angle AL with vertical supports.
 

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I debated what to do about that support or no support issue. I didn't want the liner lip supporting 160 lbs of water so I ended up supporting it.The liner was just over 5/8" above the bottom deck so I used the top deck hatch cutout piece for a support under the liner, I glued on a piece of carpet on the support piece for the liner to rest on. The entire back deck and around the well is framed with 1/8 in x 2 in angle AL with vertical supports.


Thats good to know, I was concerned about that as well and will plan on doing some kind of support
Thanks,
 

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I will have to keep that in mind when doing the forward baitwell. I am only going to use something that is 5-8 gallons, but I don't want it breaking free when bouncing over waves as the bow will be bouncing more than the stern, and the aft livewell(s) won't be subjected to as much stress as the forward baitwell. With 40-65 pounds of water, that's a lot of stress. I might as well put both of my anchors (20lb and 15lb) and then some in there.
 

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Okay, for my livewell for next weekend I am just going to seal the holes with some 5200 and scrap sealed plywood and then use a 12v air pump to aerate. To fill and drain, a cheap 12v submersible pump I'll drop over the side on a rope and run a hose to the livewell. Then to drain, drop the pump in the livewell and the hose over the side. A bailing sponge should get the water the pump doesn't.
 
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