1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

That'd be great. I will only have to get up an hour earlier. I'll leave the heat on tonight too......

Part of me likes re-inventing the wheel, and the other part is saying "It's crunch time".

As far as the dash, I think i'll keep the teak trim, order a switch panel and modify it to fit, and put my new gauges in the holes that are already there. That will be fine.

As far as the foam I mentioned in your thread, if I could get this thing in the water somehow to check that we're high and dry I think without question I would go pour in foam. No rattles, squeaks, better sound insulation, the most possible flotation, and probably the quickest.

I have been rounding up a lot of stuff, and working on finishing my seat bases (rounding off all the corners, reinforcing with aluminum angle, epoxying, and gettinf the pull-out leg mounted correctly so when the seat is upright it's all nice and snug.) so I can get them to the upholesterer.

This weekend I will finish installing/replacing the questionable rivets in the bottom of the hull. (maybe about 20)

Then in with the fuel tank, foam of some kind, floor, splashwell, paint, interior, and go to the lake. I may have missed a few things.....

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Sorry I missed you this morning DJ, I was laying down noodles and waxing my shovel for what we have coming.

Hey I was going to show you some photos compliments of pour in foam (combined with a bit of neglect)...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/HillbillyBowyer/89 Mariner/Mariner33.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/HillbillyBowyer/89 Mariner/Mariner35.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/HillbillyBowyer/89 Mariner/Mariner34.jpg

Oh, the carnage!

Oh, the humanity!

If you go the pour in route I will be jealous of the sound deading qualities in your sweet V5 hull.

If you go noodle/foam board boat captains the world over will think you are brilliant and good looking.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Yeah Jas' post is no joke. We've gotten more and more evidence of the foam causing corrosion on the tin hulls. Not the foam itself, but the moisture, etc. it holds against the hull. There was just one the other day with some corrosion. I asked if it was limited to areas that were covered with foam.....Yep!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

There was just one the other day with some corrosion. I asked if it was limited to areas that were covered with foam.....Yep!

I am trying to remember who's boat that was from???? Who was that buddy? That photo might be a good one as he had holes scattered all around.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

I think it was one of the Blue Fin guys.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Ah, just found it...

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=456676&p=3082045#post3082045

Super little Sea Nymph with the Pour in Foam blues.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

You guys seem to have forgotten...remember this is what I did for a month...

I just haven't made up my mind on what to do. To me I haven't come up with something that is a cut and dry good way to go. There seems to be drawbacks to them all. I actually am liking the noodles now, especially the solid ones, but the amount I would need would get very expensive. Foam board = squeaks I bet. Pour in Foam, quiet, get the most in there, quick install, but there is the corrosion issue and what if the boat still leaks. Like I said, if I could find a place to float my hull in a few weeks (highly unlikely) and it didn't leak...pour in foam it would be. Even if it continues to corrode at the rate it has been for 32 years, pretty sure i'd be OK.

I have begun e-mailing local foam companies today to see if they can help me out or recommend something or someone to me.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

You are right, I did forget. Sorry man.

I will say, your old pour in foam is probably the best I have seen in regard to it filling all the voids. Many/most seem to have big ol gaps (in all the wrong places).

 

[mark1961]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Isnt pour in foam more prone to becoming waterlogged as well? Thats a big negative especially when you know its pain to remove, for a rivetted boat noodles tick most of the boxes imo.

 

[CBGale2]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Looking great Dave!!!

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

I made up my mind of foam. Going to use the 2-part pour in......

BUT...

I'm not going to pour it into the boat. Instead I am going to make some simple forms and pour it in those so I have blocks.

I had contacted a local foam company that said they could cut me styrofoam in any size I needed. So last night I went out and took some measurements. I was surprised that with not too much trouble I should be able to get in 35 cu. ft. of foam and @ 55lbs per cu. ft. that gives me 1925 lbs. of flotation. My forms could be straight with the bottom side angled to match the angle of the hull. These blocks would sit on the ribs so I would have about 1" of space between the foam and the hull. I don't think it would be too hard to fasten them down so they don't move around.

I decided against the styrofoam because iit's not resistant to fuel or solovents and bad stuff happens if you catch on fire. The pour in is not affected by anything except water, if submerged for years on end and it has flame retardant in it.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Phew, for a second there I thought you were going with the styro. Styro sucks up water like a sponge. Not good.

I know that being a 22' SS boat snob that you feel noodles would be beneath you. I see how it is.

Nah I think your plan is fine. If the blocks sit on the ribs, it will drain great and probably won't have a lot of opportunity to absorb water.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Even though you are a pour in foamer and I am an anti pour in foamer, can we still be buds here on iboats?

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Couldn't you line the areas you want to foam with heavy plastic and then our the foam in??

More foam in the boat and you wouldn't have to build forms,...

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Couldn't you line the areas you want to foam with heavy plastic and then our the foam in??

More foam in the boat and you wouldn't have to build forms,...

That could potentially still trap water against the hull....thus possible corrosion.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Phew, for a second there I thought you were going with the styro. Styro sucks up water like a sponge. Not good.

I know that being a 22' SS boat snob that you feel noodles would be beneath you. I see how it is.

Nah I think your plan is fine. If the blocks sit on the ribs, it will drain great and probably won't have a lot of opportunity to absorb water.

I don't know if we're talking about the same stuff (styrofoam) but everything I read said it was one of the best flotation materials. See this: http://www.epsmolders.org/3-float.html , but I guess it don't matter cause I'm not going to use it.

Noodles are not beneath me (but actually they are beneath you...hehehe), but I would need like $1000 worth of them. It would be fun to calculate how many noodles it would take to get the same 1925 lbs. of flotation.

I was thinking the same thing as far as you drainage comment. The one thing I am probably giving up is maybe some sound proofing by not pouring it into the boat. If my deck is epoxy coated after being installed and the foam is up on the ribs, I really don't think it will see much moisture, and out of all the old foam I dug out only the bottom 2" was wet in a few places (after 32 years).

I also thought about laying plastic in the hull or make some kind of in-hull mold, but after measuring it's not going to be that big of a deal to make some simple forms.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Even though you are a pour in foamer and I am an anti pour in foamer, can we still be buds here on iboats?

Yeah, kinda threw ya a curve ball huh? You don't know what to think....pour-in foam that's not going to be poured in and won't touch the hull. The next guy who restores this boat better thank me.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Big ol blocks of foam sitting on the ribs provides for plenty of drainage. Sounds like you have a good plan there DJ, looking forward to watching it come together buddy!

 

[pmillar]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Even going with poured blocks, couldn't you stuff them into plastic bags to gain some protection from becoming waterlogged? Or, just place the bags into your form/mold before you pour, then you have a waterproof block of foam. Maybe the best of both worlds? Just a thought...

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Quick update...not too much happening as I have this bugger of a cold that's been hanging around off and on for 3 weeks now. Finally went to the Dr. and he got me some antibiotics, but it's still sucking the motivation out of me. My Dad and I did do some more riveting on the hull for a few hours yesterday and I did get one of the new seat bases ready to epoxy. While I've been unmotivated I have rounded up stuff I will need at some point...battery switch, fuse panel, dash switches, gauges, lights, gas tank sender, fuel filler, fuel/water seperator, electric horn, and a few other things. I did support Iboats on some of the stuff, but if you place an order with Iboats and your stuff comes from two different warehouses, they get you for shipping twice (from each warehouse).

On the seats, if I had to do it again, I would consider buying some already made (maybe). Making all new bases is a lot of work. They will look nice I'm sure, but very time consuming.