1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Man, I'd love an SS that big! Such great looking boats.
And superb job with the resto so far! Read front to back with great interest.

Thanks for checking it out. I hope to get a lot done this weekend.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Got a couple things done tonight. I epoxied a 1/2" thick ring of ply under the ski locker opening to stiffen things up and give the locker ring something substantial to mount to.

The starboard side foam is all done. A couple more pours on the port side and the foam will be done.

My foam calculations figure out like this:

1st bought an 80lb kit = 40 cu. ft., then bought a 16lb kit = 8 cu. ft.

48 cubic feet x 60lbs of flotation per cubic foot = 2880lbs of flotation.

All my pours were done under ideal conditions (85 degrees or warmer, and power mixed) so I got the correct expansion and feel I have more than enough in the event of something bad.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

That ring for the ski locker was a great idea buddy.

Hey, did you end up laying down foam board to keep the foam off the hull? I can't quite remember how you were going about solving this whole pour in foam with drainage deal.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

That ring for the ski locker was a great idea buddy.

Hey, did you end up laying down foam board to keep the foam off the hull? I can't quite remember how you were going about solving this whole pour in foam with drainage deal.

I layed sheet foam down up in the front keel area. The foam that is between the outer two stringers is poured right on the hull. Trying to fit foam boarf in perfectly turned out to be very time consuming and if it wasn't perfect, when the foam was initially poured it would creep through any gap that might be there. SO, by keeping the foam off the keel in the front, and having no foam under the ski locker and none under the gas tank, the hull down the center is foam free. It would take a lot of water in the bottom to get to the point of touching the foam.

Question for ya, in another thread you told someone that the deck should be able to drain water off the sides and then down into the bilge, but didn't you caulk around the perimeter of your Islander deck? I ask because I was going to do the same so in the event of a rainstorm, when out, the water would have to run to the back to get to the bilge. That way I'm not to worried about my foam being on the hull, cause other than a bad leak, water shouldn't get to that area. Make sense?

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

SO, by keeping the foam off the keel in the front, and having no foam under the ski locker and none under the gas tank, the hull down the center is foam free.

Well now that makes perfect sense!

Question for ya, in another thread you told someone that the deck should be able to drain water off the sides and then down into the bilge, but didn't you caulk around the perimeter of your Islander deck? I ask because I was going to do the same so in the event of a rainstorm when out the water would have to run the the back to get to the bilge. That way I'm not to worried about my foam being on the hull, cause other than a bad leak, water shouldn't get to that area.

Yup, I am with ya!

If memory serves that fella had a little 12/14 footer so he'll not have side panels going in like we do.

You got it on my Islander. I basically made a big bath tub. Any water that ends up on deck will drain straight into the stern of the boat and into the bilge. By not sealing up that seam between the side panel and the deck my fear was that water would just find the crack and sit and rot, ya know? Going this route keeps water entirely out of there all together.

The alternate route I was considering was to actually install the side panels with a small gap (like 1/8" - 1/4") between the deck and the panel. That way water could just run to the side, down into the bilge, otta the boat, knowwhattamean?

I think sealing the side panel to the deck would be particularly helpful on your SS there. I am thinking your pour in foam would slow the waters progress to the bilge otherwise.

Cool man!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Oh ya...

I used PL to make the seal, bad move. For whatever reason it bubbled up, dried and made for a giant mess to clean up after I sanded it down. What a pain. That might be a good spot for 5200 or epoxy or something else. I'd hate for you to have to deal with that headache man.

Also, by attaching the side panels to the deck (and the hull via shelf) it sure makes for a solid feel all around. I have it attached to the base of the cabin wall and (when I get back to her this fall) will attach to the transom too.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Oh ya...

I used PL to make the seal, bad move. For whatever reason it bubbled up, dried and made for a giant mess to clean up after I sanded it down. What a pain. That might be a good spot for 5200 or epoxy or something else. I'd hate for you to have to deal with that headache man.

Also, by attaching the side panels to the deck (and the hull via shelf) it sure makes for a solid feel all around. I have it attached to the base of the cabin wall and (when I get back to her this fall) will attach to the transom too.

Yeah, thanks for telling me that cause I was going to check out where to get some PL. Where's a good place to get 4200 or 5200 in a big tube?

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

One of my local HD's carries 5200 but it's the reg kind (not fast cure).

Have you got a Marine Dealer new you? West Marine maybe? I have a couple of those places near by but they sell 5200 for the low price of a kidney.

Maybe online somewhere, you'll use a lot on that long hull of yours.


Here is another thought...

Uh, question first...

Are you going with angle alum like I did on the Islander, to attach the side panel to the deck?

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Are you going with angle alum like I did on the Islander, to attach the side panel to the deck?

Um...kinda sorta...This is how my side panels are made, the wood doesn't go all the way down to the deck. The aluminum angle sits on the deck and goes up and overlaps the wood by a good 4" where it's screwed to the wood. The carpet starts mid panel and goes down over the wood, over the aluminum, then gets wrapped down around the bottom of the angle. On mine you don't see the aluminnum angle, just the screws (which kinda dissappear in the carpet.

Since some of you guys make stripping paint look like so much fun, I thought I'd join in as well. I stripped all my splashwell panels figuring it would be way easier than doing it assembled when they prep for paint. I used ZipStrip. Went pretty good.

 

[Bighoss]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

I have no idea how I kept missing this thread! This is the rebuild I dream about...the size of that rig would be all the boat I'd ever need. Dave, the work is top notch man. Very cool restore.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

I have no idea how I kept missing this thread! This is the rebuild I dream about...the size of that rig would be all the boat I'd ever need. Dave, the work is top notch man. Very cool restore.

Thanks for checking it out. I've been peeking in on your work as well.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Deck is looking great. I'll be watching how your bow deck comes together since I'll be redoing mine soon.

 

[Decker83]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Just saw your thread tonight. I would love to have a boat like yours. Not many of them here in Texas. Your aluminum work was great. In fact all of your work is great. I will keep watching and being jealous of your awesome boat.
Kent

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Um...kinda sorta...This is how my side panels are made, the wood doesn't go all the way down to the deck. The aluminum angle sits on the deck and goes up and overlaps the wood by a good 4" where it's screwed to the wood. The carpet starts mid panel and goes down over the wood, over the aluminum, then gets wrapped down around the bottom of the angle. On mine you don't see the aluminnum angle, just the screws (which kinda dissappear in the carpet.

Hmmmmm....

I haven't had a full pot of coffee yet, still scratching head....

Well anyway, here is the deal...

I used PL on the mating surfaces between the alum and deck as well as the alum and side panel. No problem there, just wipe off the PL that squeezes out, no sweat.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Starcraft Islander/P1050872.jpg

Where I ran into trouble was the seam between the deck and the panel.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Starcraft Islander/P1050897.jpg

Laid down a bead, wiped it, didn't look super good, started to bubble a little.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Starcraft Islander/IMAG0256.jpg

Once dry it a bubbled a lot, I really don't know why.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Starcraft Islander/P1060259.jpg

Had to take a grinder to it which made a giant mess of my semi clean, nearly ready for paint rig.

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Starcraft Islander/P1060260.jpg

And, I still have yet to fill and smooth all that out as I want a nice transition. PL ended up being a pain there.


I'd say if you have an outer seam that will be seen 5200 might be the way to go. Stuff that won't be seen PL would be fine.

Just one man's troubles that you'd want to avoid, eh Dave

 

[lakelover]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Where's a good place to get 4200 or 5200 in a big tube?

Kind of irrelavant here cuz you're looking for big tubes (caulking gun type?), but thought I'd throw this out here.

Home Depot has the 3 oz. tubes for $6.47. Never seen it so cheap.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Tonight I cut out new panels for the front of the consols. This is what I had to go by. These were rotted out really bad. I left some of the vinyl attached in order to use it as a rough guide to get the shape close.

Finished. View from the back:

Port side below. Starboard side looks the same, just opposite.

And this pic is for EZ, I think mine is constructed different. The structure is all aluminum. I should be able to transfer all the mounting holes from the old boards to the new and reassemble.

The only panels left to replace are the side panels. I'll have to get 2 more sheets of ply for those.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Looks good. Those console panels were a PAIN for me. And I made the mistake of making them before putting the windshield on and adjusting the consoles. Almost adjusted them out of usefulness but not quite.

Bow structure looks similar to mine just with more aluminum strapping.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Looks good. Those console panels were a PAIN for me. And I made the mistake of making them before putting the windshield on and adjusting the consoles. Almost adjusted them out of usefulness but not quite.

Bow structure looks similar to mine just with more aluminum strapping.

Then how did you put you foot through it? Didn't you have 2x4's under there? Or am I thinking of something else...

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

The 2x4's were AFTER my buddy put his foot through the hatch.

 

[Rghammond]

Re: 1979 22' Starcraft SuperSport V5 Restoration

Great work dj, that is a huge job but well worth it. Ocean or bib lake?