1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

[sasto]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

She will make a good livaboard, Scorpio.

We have several 60's and 70's boats in our marina with the origional thru-hulls. You may find removing them and rebedding them is all that's required. There are 3 us us here that have Chrysler inboards. Two from the 70's and one from the 80's. We have had very good luck with them. I think they are bulletproof, not to be confused with their outboards. But, that's down the road for you, I certainally won't talk you out of a Merc.

To heck with motors for awhile anyway! Purchase some tow insurance...when a friend goes out, have him tow you to a favorite spot...drop you off...when your ready to return to the dock...call the tow company. How do I know this?

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

I was kinda thinking along the same lines Sasto .. ( insurance )

I know of 'port risk policies' .. but I think thats only offered for out of the water rebuilds/storage.

I would suggest for this build to be Documented in every step.

In the end of the rebuild ( or at least when your considering buying a policy ) its basically up to the survey that will determine If and how much the holder will insure your boat for.

As far as I know..there is no reason that an insurance Co. will NOT give you a policy for a 'salvaged' boat as long as the repairs are done correctly and it holds 'standards' that are within the guidelines of said Co.

It might be a good idea for you to start building a report with a surveyor NOW. It might cost you a few more bucks along the way but when you have an ongoing survey During your build it Could bring the Insurance Value up in your policy. Have the surveyor come out and document the process of the build and Document it.

Just trying to watch your back.

Research for yourself what it will take for you to get insured for a 'salvage restoration by owner' and protect yourself.

Trust me .. I have seen Too many boats snatched up by marinas because of Payments for Storage or Repair that the owner had no idea Insurance did not cover .. LOST there Boats and Tens of Thousands of dollars !

YD.

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

I went to see her again today. She is now officially mine. I got the title signed over to me by the old owner. Seemed like a nice guy, just didn't have the time to undertake such a task (the boat was left to him when his father passed). Cost me all of $275, which I don't think is physically possible to beat for a boat her size.

Now for the bad news... One of the PO's neighbor's kids did some sort of running leap off the pier and put his foot through the forward deck, so there's a hole in the overhead, port side in the v-berth. The hull is fiberglass, but being so old, her exterior in its entirety is not. There are a lot of places where the ply has dry rot and holes through her. The plan for the exterior has changed a bit. I'm going to have to waterproof her deck first, as now I know her hull is okay, as the bilge was dry as a bone when I looked. First up will be replacing the marine ply on her gunwales and forward deck, and glassing everything. Things that were not glassed in '73 when she was built will be glassed in, if only in an effort to help preserve her beauty. The canvas on the flybridge looked moldy, so I'll pull that and see if I can clean it before deciding whether or not to replace it right away. The entire interior will be pulled (as I had planned) and I'm going to rearrange a few things. First off, the head is going to expand a bit. I'll add a separate shower where the dinette is. The new dinette will either be where the futon is, or I will figure out how to create a table that spans from port to starboard and the new futon will be part of the seating. Once I take measurements, I'll figure it out. The galley will receive new, custom cabinetry, new fridge(s), new sink, an electric cooktop, etc. Also, I'm going to glass the interior of the head, give it that more modern look and feel. I'll elaborate more one the interior plans one, after I waterproof her deck and bulkheads, and two, after I tear the current interior out. Just thought I ought to give y'all a heads up so you know what I'm doing.

Two questions. Is the marine ply at home depot good quality? It's a lot cheaper than the ply at West Marine... http://www.homedepot.com/Lumber-Composites-Plywood-Sheathing-Subfloor-Plywood/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbu0m/R-202083091/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051. Also, does anybody recommend any particular brands of fiberglass or kits or web stores for said items? That's going to be one of my first purchases now...

PS: Going to get Don Casey's "This Old Boat, Second Edition" as an Amazon Kindle e-book so I can read it on my computer. I figure it should help me a bit figuring out exactly what each step requires.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Most wood STOCKED at Home Depot is garbage. God knows the exterior grade from there I used for my boat deck was. However something they'll surely have to special order might not be bad.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Now for the bad news... One of the PO's neighbor's kids did some sort of running leap off the pier and put his foot through the forward deck, so there's a hole in the overhead, port side in the v-berth. The hull is fiberglass, but being so old, her exterior in its entirety is not.

The deck is just Ply ? Never seen that before on a 30' Silverton ..

How are the stringers and Bulkies ? You might want to hold off on glassin in the deck until you have a better idea of the condition of the rest of the boat.

Is this on its own trailer that is good to transport ?

You may want to spend some more time to evaluate the Cost/time of such a resto.

YD.

 

[sqbtr]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Agree with YD, For someone to go right through the forward deck, it seems there might be some serious rot issues with this boat.
The thru hulls are probably less of an issue than the most likely rotten backing plates, along with the prop shaft strut backing plate and the rudder backing plate. Then there are the rudder boards that are most likely already broken into several pieces.

The closer you look the more you will find.

Take your time and cost figures and triple them. JMHO

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

To heck with motors for awhile anyway! Purchase some tow insurance...when a friend goes out, have him tow you to a favorite spot...drop you off...when your ready to return to the dock...call the tow company. How do I know this?

Yea, I'm looking at the BoatUS Unlimited Gold Plan for $157 a year... I hope that that plan works in my favor...

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Most wood STOCKED at Home Depot is garbage. God knows the exterior grade from there I used for my boat deck was. However something they'll surely have to special order might not be bad.

Yea, I'll keep shopping around to see where I can find some decently priced marine ply... If I go with the depot, I'll order one sheet first and see how she holds up... 84 Lumber is just up the road as well... I can see what they have.

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

The deck is just Ply ? Never seen that before on a 30' Silverton ..

It's glassed over, I guess it dryrotted to the extent that the momentum of a running jump was too much to handle. I know the centerline is fine.

How are the stringers and Bulkies ? You might want to hold off on glassin in the deck until you have a better idea of the condition of the rest of the boat.

I'm going to wait to formulate my final plan until I've stripped her down and seen what she's wearing underneath (haha). From what I've read, her stringers should be glass, with wood used solely for the purpose of shaping the glass till it set. The port engine appeared solid, the gas had been drained from her, so I'm unsure if it runs yet. I do know the electrical system is fried though...

Is this on its own trailer that is good to transport ?

With a beam of 12'6", is she even trailerable? I know she didn't come with one... I'm towing her back to my buddy's place.

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Agree with YD, For someone to go right through the forward deck, it seems there might be some serious rot issues with this boat.

Noted.

The closer you look the more you will find.

Take your time and cost figures and triple them.

I'm not making figures until I have her in pieces and know what I'm looking at. Playing this one safe and close to the wallet (lol). Thanks for the advice.

 

[Bondo]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

It's glassed over, I guess it dryrotted to the extent that the momentum of a running jump was too much to handle. I know the centerline is fine.

Ayuh,.... Look closer,... It might be end-grain balsa, used as the filler in glass panels...

The port engine appeared solid, the gas had been drained from her, so I'm unsure if it runs yet.

Water from a hose, 'n a 5 gallon gas can with a 3/8" length of hose can be used to check out the motor...
Dependin' on how Bad the wiring is, it should be able to be Hot wired to start....

Btw,... 12' 6" beam probably needs a permit to go with that trailer...

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Ayuh,.... Look closer,... It might be end-grain balsa, used as the filler in glass panels...

Yea that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that..

Water from a hose, 'n a 5 gallon gas can with a 3/8" length of hose can be used to check out the motor...
Dependin' on how Bad the wiring is, it should be able to be Hot wired to start....

Thanks, I'll try that and see if it works

Btw,... 12' 6" beam probably needs a permit to go with that trailer...

Lol I don't have a trailer for it. She's in the water as we speak, docked at the P/O's house. He said I can keep her there for a bit until I'm ready to have her moved

 

[scorpioctober]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

Got a little bit of work done yesterday in the rain. Ripped out a cabinet, the futon, and the port side bulkhead separating the v-berth from the rest of the cabin. That hole in the overhead was letting water pour in, but the P/O is letting me keep a bilge pump plugged into his house, so what water came in wasn't there long I put a tarp over the holes before I left for the evening... Got the mirror, curtain track, and counter/sink removed from the head, and took the door off the wall. As soon as I find someplace to keep it for a bit, I'm going to remove the flybridge so I don't have to worry about which bulkheads are load-bearing. I still need to take out all the cabinetry on the starboard side, along with the galley, and the rest of the head, along with the v-berth up front... Making notes as to how the wiring has been run for the dual controls so I can duplicate it when I run my electrical. A lot of water damage below, but it's coming out at a pretty steady pace. I got in the water and wiped down the outer sides of her hull, which looked pretty good. The engines are more are less FUBAR at the moment. The portside engine looks alright, but I'm still going to have to dissemble it and clean out the jellied oil in her pan and carb, and the starboard engine needs a replacement...

I think another two to three days of tear down should have her to the glass, at which point I'll need to make several trips to the dump, to get rid of all of her ruined guts and then start the rebuild, from the bottom up. First off I need to grind the glass and lay a new innermost layer (probably one mat and one cloth), build new deck and bulkhead framing and install mounts for any pumps that I may need to mount below, then run the wiring and plumbing, then start framing furniture and closing in bulkheads, followed, finally, by the finishing work. I'm thinking a modern luxury yacht type mix of glass and wood for the interior. Thoughts or suggestions? As always, advice is appreciated...

P.S. Just thought I should add that any through-hulls will be addressed once I have her down to glass as well...

 

[gtmci84s]

Re: 1973 Silverton Flybridge 30' Sedan Renovation

If like to see how you're making out with this boat. I just bought a '77 28' very similar to yours.