1973 merury 850 will not idle

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

Thanks, your great, I may have seen one of my problems, when I was lightly seating my mixture screws I was scared to go in to far but they go in further than I had them so now I know they are 2 turns out
 
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OK easy it could cause damage if you go to far and now you need to take it out and try the holeshot test remember it coould take more turns out and the more you turn out the less rpm,s your going to get. I want updates when you can thanks scincerely George B
 

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

That is why I was scared to run it in I did not know if I would feel it stop I installed new spring and screw. I will hook up the muffs again in the morning and try to get it to idle so I can put it in gear
 

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You realy need to set the idle with the motor LU in a barrel so there is backpressure on the exhaust. Muffs are just OK for getting the motor to start but the fine tuneing realy needs to be done on the water or in a test tank of some kind. You will see alot of diffrance between the way the motor reacts between the muffs and in a tank. JMO
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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

The following is another post in the Stickys as how to set/tune your motor. JMO
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July 10th, 2006, 08:37 PM#1




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Timing and Sync of Merc Inlines (to 1988)



Thanks to clamscanino for this info.
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Manual specs are different for each but this is close enough to get them all REAL close. This assumes nothing is broken or "wrong" with it. This also assumes that the timing pointer is properly adjusted (if adjustable) to accurately read TDC of the #1 piston.

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.

-W
 

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

Sounds like good advise oldman I will put it in a barrel once I get it a little closer to running on its own. It's a lot harder for going in and out of garage due to the weather right now. Thanks for the link and sync info that is what I had seen before and could not find again there was a couple of things that confused me on it but I will go back and read it again and I don't have a timing light yet but if necessary I will get one.
 
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Yea I had this same ifo in a folder but deleted it yesterday morning. I thought of sending it but realized it got canned. I,m glad Olman posted it for you. Remember as he said the final adjustment must be done on the water under power.
 

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After setting mixture screws out 2 turns like you said last night am I ready to try and start up again
 
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cool let us know how it goes. The idol may still be a bit high. It will be lower in the water under power. If it,s more than 1400 in neutral in the water try to back the screws out a bit more to get the idol lower to under 1200 RPM. This will help protect the gears in the lower unit. The RPM s should drop about 100 RPM when engaged into forwards
 

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Ofcourse it is pouring down rain here supposed to rain all day today. I will make sure to let you all know how it goes ASAP.
 

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

In reading through your initial post, and noting the motor has sat for about 20 years, I can't help but wondering if the carbs have been thoroughly soaked/cleaned before the rebuilds. Could be there's varnish etc in the passageways. Lots of excellent advice about adjustments on carbs. Do carbs operate in exact unison? Sounds overall like a fuel problem. Are you running good quality gas ?
 
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Maxz695

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we are still waiting for the reply, but I was not aware of the 20 year prior to running statment. I guess I missd it. We have to wait for the response if it ever comes to see if a rebuild which after 20 years would definitly in order. TY for the heads up! ;)
 

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I hope I got carbs cleaned good I only had carb cleaner spray bottle and air compressor. It is new fuel but I don't think there is any quality fuel these days. I still was unable to run motor today also snow and rain but I am still hoping I had the mixture screws wrong. I did make sure I seem carb cleaner coming out the small idle ports hopefully that is good enough. Carbs appeared to be very clean considering age and how long it had been sitting. I will keep this in mind if I still have no luck, thanks for the input.
 

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

My new to me 1975, 850 wouldn't come close to an idle. I couldn't retard the timing enough. Had to move belt one tooth on distributor.
 

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I wish I had a tachometer already so I could tell at what rpm it runs fine warmup lever almost all the way up and if I lower it a little tapping choke occasionally will keep it running but back off warmup lever any more and choke will only kill it.
 
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If you need choke to keep it running after starting it without throttle then You may either have a weak fuel pump. leaking fuel line (Sucking air) Clogged fuel filter. Stuck float or needle Problem with the tank pickup or tank vent. Old fuel hose particals decintagrate from ethenol and get loged in the fuel inlets and needles and block flow. Because of the time of sitting if your test doesn,t work I would remove the cabs and totally dismantle them clean them with Barrimans liuid carb cleaner. (Autozone pep boys etc. 6 bucks) I would also get 6 feet of the right size fuel line ( MIne is 1/4 at the engine and a 3 /8 bulb to quick connector) fuel line and replace all old lines. Go to ebay and buy a fuel pump diaphram and gasket kit and rebuild the fuel pump. This work will have to be undertaken as well as lower unit inspection and oil change as well as impellor change before you set out on the open waters.
 

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What is the best way to check all of my new fuel lines for air leaks. I installed a new fuel pump diaphragm and gaskets new floats and needles with seats cleaned old strainers and added a new inline strainer to fuel line right before fuel pump
 
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Maxz695

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If you pump up the bulb and squeese it real hard and do not feel like it,s getting soft or losing fuel it should be ok. If the bulb starts to flatten there is a leak. Check for fuel dripping or getting into the carb throats.If you replaced all the lines did you clamp or use zip ties on the connections? If you have spare fuel line try bypassing the quick disconnect as sometines the seal leaks. Go from the bulb to the filter you added. I added my inline filter after the fuel pump to the carb but I don,t think it would make a difference. But it might as some air does stay in the filter and this might affect the fuel pump. View attachment 179058 This is the oldstyle filter strainer this is also after the line out from the pumpView attachment 179059 The line should go from motor side quick disconnect to the fuel pump inlet then the fliter is added between the fuel pump outlet and the carb The fuel pump can push enough fuel to fill the filter but it may lose suction if trying to pull fuel through the filter. Many may disagree but I think it is best not to have anything between the bulb and the fuel pump.
 

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I think it still had an air pocket in the fuel filter I added even while it was running. But I will know more when I get to pull it back out of garage and let it run a little more. Now we are under an ice storm warning. Hopefully soon, but I did find out that my new lower unit oil turned milky after running for about 15 minutes and it had time to settle after running that I am pretty sure that it was not foam. How much water can be in it before I have to worry about it freezing and busting something? This should be under another thread but figured it would be an easy one. Boat is in the garage but not heated and very little insulation. I guess I can run it a little in neutral with milky oil a couple of times. I have got everything that says seal or o-ring in lower unit on order. I have already replaced impeller and all gaskets and upper housing.
 

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Re: 1973 merury 850 will not idle

Make shore you have the correct spark plugs, I had a mercury 500 blueband 50hp, the previous owner put the wrong plugs in it and damn thing would never idle.
Do night time cover off test to see if its leads or coils are shorting out.
 
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