1970 mirrocraft sport fisherman

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Just picked her up. Gutted and ready to start restoration. All the foam under the floor was saturated and weighed a ton so I removed it. The hull now flexes quite a bit. Was it supposed to be structural when built? I plan on building an aluminium frame for the floor with storage compartments and blue foam board for for flotation. Or should I fill back up with expanding foam? Thanks
 
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Just picked her up. Gutted and ready to start restoration. All the foam under the floor was saturated and weighed a ton so I removed it. The hull now flexes quite a bit. Was it supposed to be structural when built? I plan on building an aluminium frame for the floor with storage compartments and blue foam board for for flotation. Or should I fill back up with expanding foam? Thanks
 

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And I have to replace the transom obviously. I think this has been replaced poorly at some point. I'm going to make mine bigger.
 

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Transom is in and floor support is in.
 

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jbcurt00

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Mixed metals in an aluminum boat arent a good combo, what that uni-strut made of?

Neither is what appears to be pressure treated lumber & plywood.

None of that goes well in a wet environment w an aluminum boat.
 

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It also appears that there were no ribs or stringers supporting the deck. That suggests the pour in foam was structural to the hull & deck. Putting it back together differently may be problematic.
 

RBoyd1971

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Out of curiosity, what is that putty you glued those metal cross members down with? Are they made of aluminum? If that's steel, it'll be a pile of rust in no time at all from the dampness/humidity. Plus it's too heavy. Now you could go and coat it, but I think I'd come up with another idea.
 

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steel and aluminum together will also have galvanic corrosion. add a bit of moisture and you have issues. just dont add anything caustic.....

but wait.....you have green treated lumber in there. that is caustic to aluminum, the chemicals from the treatment will eat the hull of that aluminum boat in no-time.
 

Lectro88

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Mixed metals in an aluminum boat arent a good combo, what that uni-strut made of?

Neither is what appears to be pressure treated lumber & plywood.

None of that goes well in a wet environment w an aluminum boat.
I can answer some of this.

The uni-strut is steel. And being very familiar with it,.
He has 2 types installed....
I can see some is true gray Galvanized,. usually for exterior/outside...
Wonder if the cut ends were re-coated with anything,. or the rust will start in days.
Next I can see the zinc/plated/anodized, thin shinny uni-strut, that is typically installed indoors or limited element exposure for best results, again wonder if ends had any protection applied.
I always cut, filed, smoothed and cold galved cut ends(just me)
Steel would have been my absolute last choice, especially against aluminum, painted, coated, or not for either or both. but oh well.

The uni-strut will do a fine job supporting the floor, plenty strong,. until the dissimilar metals start arguing, and holes show up in aluminum in a few months or a year.. let alone the rust that will eventually start and Bleed/drip, condensate and stain aluminum below unless he pour foams it. think he mentioned sheet foam already.
I think he needs pour foam for support of the hull. or add some stringers(un-engineered)And not pressure treated...
You added probably 50-100 pounds in uni-strut. I count at least 7 pieces. it adds up...
That's again steel, not wood or aluminum.


I think I get and understand what he's doing, it's a budget build with whatever he has laying around or can get his hands on easily. and just get a end result.. functional back yard build or what we would do on-site in a "building" atmosphere.
Looks like he's making do with what he has. (and I get that)
And it will get him through a season or 2 and then it's going to be in really bad shape again. as in aluminum hull damage, corrosion, pits, then Holes,. in that order.. Unless he takes some special precautions, and keeps an eye on things.. closely.,
IMO.
In his defense, If he can get a barrier between the strut and aluminum that "may" get by with only a weight strike. Polyester/roofing caulk something other than silicone. SEPARATE the dissimilars. Cushion it well.
Get the cut ends smoothed covered. so sharp burs aren't gouging into the aluminum, And cushion it, even put some rubber between it, Keep it from rusting and Rubbing, (think busting waves and beating on trailer going down the road, pot holes, RR tracks, rough bridges etc.)
The zinc strut will last several years if it's halfway protected. But its the Heaviest non rotting material he could have picked..
**The pressure treated against aluminum needs to come out Yesterday if not sooner, It will end up cutting the hull like a buzz saw.**
The pressure treated against aluminum alarms me way more than the steel to aluminum and thats still bad but... He only has a few contact points and they can be addressed and cleaned up "to make do" in a worst case.(uni-strut I mean)
Not to beat him up, I understand not having piles of money to throw at a boat.
But if you do non-standard things that can lead to severe problems, take a little extra care to ensure a little better end result at the cost of saving money.
Remember at some point this could become unsafe for you and Worse, others.
So respectfully, take a little added care and do the best you can with what you have.
Best regards on the build.
 
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RBoyd1971

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The treated wood problem is again a dissimilar metal problem. It's the copper in the treatment that corrodes the aluminum. Now with that said, you can put the same batch of treated wood in two different boats and they will react differently. It can depend on the alloy mix and how well the aluminum is protected as well as how well done the treatment process was. I bought some treated landscape timbers from home Depot and they completely rotted in a year. Probably not much copper in them. I've seen boats with a seam corroded through all the way around where treated plywood was touching it and I've personally owned boats that had 3/4 treated wood for flooring that just had a few pits corroded in the hull from the leachate. I've also removed treated transom wood that had been in there for years and only caused minor corrosion. The difference was the aluminium was coated well where it was contacted. I advise against using it, but it's not always Armageddon when it is.
 
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Just checked back in. I guess I started building the titanic. Gonna pull it all out and start again. Want to keep her for a long time. Not in a hurry, I have another smaller boat. Glad I posted, so i dont end up with a POS. Thanks for the information.
 

Lectro88

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Just checked back in. I guess I started building the titanic. Gonna pull it all out and start again. Want to keep her for a long time. Not in a hurry, I have another smaller boat. Glad I posted, so i dont end up with a POS. Thanks for the information.
LoL about building the titanic.
Don't feel bad, The members of this site have saved me from Doom several times.
If I am thinking outside of the box, I typically ask for a green light before I proceed.
They have changed the way I think about boat building.
And I have learned a great deal from here, Simple goofy things we would do in a building or to automotive, Might not pass so well for or on boats.
Most of it is just common sense after a little grooming, and some basics. But it can also get Deep and Twisted on other things.(Later Topic maybe)

At the end of the day or Years, you "may" end up with a boat your grandkids can enjoy.. if it's taken care of.
It's not hard to build a Old boat better than you can buy,. New.
Welcome to Iboats.
Enjoy the ride and build.
 

Scott Danforth

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Just checked back in. I guess I started building the titanic. Gonna pull it all out and start again. Want to keep her for a long time. Not in a hurry, I have another smaller boat. Glad I posted, so i dont end up with a POS. Thanks for the information.
3/4" BCX plywood, a tube of tite bond III, cut 2 pcs of wood to match transom, laminate together with the tite bond III, then paint the wood with the old timers wood formula (do a search on iboats) then install.
 
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