1959 evinrude 50hp motor trouble.

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For the next 3 years I'll open any email or PM w/ John's Fat50 in the title......

Since I was born in 1966 & the name's John, after May 2016, you'd better specify Johnson Fat50 Outboard :)
 

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Here are the pics of the timing marks aligned as best I understand it. I didn't show a pic of the flywheel marks because that is an obvious mark. Keep in mind that these pictures are of a 1959 50 hp with a 75 hp magneto and mount so the marks are a little different. I haven't started it since I realigned the marks, so I don't know for sure that it is right. If anyone has any input, then please speak up. :)

I also included a pic of the new fuel filter inside the fuel bowl just because. :)

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Lookin good. SHow us a youtube of it running!
 

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Lookin good. SHow us a youtube of it running!

I'll try to do that. I just picked up the gear oil (or gear gold as the price is like it's made out of gold) and plug seals for the bottom end after work today. I'm hoping to try running it again this weekend.
 
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Good luck, don't forget a little metal cup to catch the exit water for temp testing.

And PLEEEZE post pictures and/or video, I'm dying to see it!
 
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So... I decided to drop it in the river today for the first time. I needed to see if I was spending my money on an anchor or a boat. It seems to float fine. I noticed a little water under the floor, but I found it when inspecting a hole that I hadn't seen before. The water might have already been there. Not sure. Hmm. Here are a couple pics of it in the water and a link to a youtube video of it running for a little bit. It sounded better in person though. I think I was getting some echo out of the boat hull (no carpet in it right now). I'm not sure what the ticking sound is in the video. It sounds like a lifter in a car, but I know that's impossible on a two stroke. Hmm.


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It lives! Yeah! No idea about the ticking.....

Looks like the hood & exterior paint are in good shape, so that's good too................
 

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Yeah, I was looking closer at the hood the other day and realized that the paint looks like it just needs to be lightly buffed and it should look pretty good. I'm only missing one of the trim pieces from the very back of the hood. All the rest are in pretty good shape.
 

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Looking good! Sounds like it is running on two cylinders. There should be a lot more frothing and bubbling at idle. Check the spark for sure. Then reset timing and jets. You are good to go on the engine if it is runnning this good. Congrats, a fine looking fatty!!! "Ticking" is normal. Just make sure you are running 24:1 oil. There are places or people that say use less, but that could result in damage, 24:1 will not.

LOVE the engine cover!
 
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Ditto - sounds like running on two. When it runs on 4, it has a "double roar" and the water froths and the fish die....
 

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Ahhhhhh yes, the oily film of goodness.
 

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Sounds like two cylinders? wow, that's good to know. I would have expected it to fun much rougher on two. I'm glad you guys said that. Maybe one of my sets of points is off. I did notice that it was frothing a whole lot more when I had it in a water bucket. I couldn't hardly keep the water in it and my shoes were soaked by the time I was done. haha. I guess I need to check to see if it's a spark issue or fuel issue. It did have a lot of rubber in the fuel from a disintegrated primer bulb (I assume). It also had the fuel filter turned upside down in the glass bowl, so who knows what was in the carb. I had to use starting fluid to start it both times that I've run it. Just a quick shot did it, so I figured the carb might have been a little junked up.

I was really happy to see the water from the exhaust though and the fact that it didn't smoke as bad as the first time. It actually ran pretty smoke free this time. :)
 

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I have a new question, and I'll probably start a new thread, but I want to ask it here also.

During my test run, it didn't want to engage in forward. Reverse was fine, but forward just kept kicking it out of gear. I adjusted the cable as far as I could and it got a little better. It would move forward, but it kept popping in and out of gear. Keep in mind, I did just take off and re-install the lower unit the day before. I also installed new cables on the shifter and throttle. Is there a chance that I need to change or make adjustment to the cable? Also, is there any other adjustment internally that needs to be made on the shift linkage?
 

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Being a vintage motor, did you replace the clutch dog? I think it's part #`18:
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Correct? It's actuated by #19, the shift rod....Right?

But if you've adjusted the cables, to their max, any chance they've stretched & need to be replaced?
 

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I actually didn't open up the gear case. I just took it off to check the impeller. The cables are new and I just put them on. I might have put the ends on wrong, or in the wrong place rather. I centered the shift lever on the motor and on the control when I put the cable on. Maybe I need to slide the end on the cable a little bit to get a little more throw towards forward. Hmm.

But I believe it even popped out when I disconnected the cable at the motor and tried to manually select forward. :-/
 

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Research is worth so much. I think I found the answer to my question.

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I hope this fixes the problem.
 

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Clutch Dog is #25. Shift cradle (#17), is also candidate for wear as are thrust washers (#21)
 

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Clutch Dog is #25. Shift cradle (#17), is also candidate for wear as are thrust washers (#21)
Yeah, what he said ^^^ :facepalm:

I happened to have that pix saved & didn't cross reference the part #'s. Sorry for the confusion...
 

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There was only one (1) magneto manufactured for the older v4 models, whether is was/is a 50, 60, 65, or a 75hp model. This pertains also to the timing belt... only one was made to function with the V4 magneto... part #305446.

The automotive ignition timing belt #309432 is not interchangeable.

Point setting, on the high lobe, set them so that a .020 gauge will go thru but a .022 will not should you want to check the ohm meter setting.


(Carburetor Adjustments - Older V/4 Downdraft Carb)
(J. Reeves)

NOTE: The early model downdraft carburetors incorporated "Adjustable High Speed Jets". The later model downdraft carburetors used "Fixed High Speed Jets". The high speed jets would be located in back of the two bottom drain screws. Follow the below instructions accordingly.

NOTE: If you do not have adjustable high speed jets, ignore those paragraphs pertaining to same...... BUT do make sure that you manually inspect and clean the two brass fixed high speed jets which would be located in back of the two 7/16" slotted hex head bolts in the bottom front portion of the float chamber.

Lift the center High Speed Control lever and turn it so that the point faces forward, resting on the high ridge. This will disengage the lever control gear from the individual high speed jets (slots). Have the slow speed needle valve knobs installed upside down so that they can be turned without encountering any obstruction.

Gently seat each of the High Speed needle valves, then back each one out one (1) turn. Gently seat each of the Slow Speed needle valves, then back each one out one and one half (1-1/2) turns. NOTE... have the jam nut on the s/speed needles snug so that vibration won't have any effect on them, but loose enough so that you can turn them without a great amount of effort.

(High Speed)
With a reliable person at the wheel, and one kneeling in front of the engine, start the engine (yes, it will run lousy with the above initial needle valve settings), put it into forward gear, and apply full throttle. Start with the High Speed adjustment on the left using a screwdriver that properly fits the slot.

(High Speed Adjustments)
At full throttle, with the proper size screwdriver, slowly start turning one of the H/S needles in segments of 1/8 turn, waiting momentarily for the engine to respond, then repeat turning. You will reach a point where the engine will start to die out. At that point, back that needle valve out approximately 1/4 turn. Now, go to the other High Speed needle valve and repeat that procedure. At some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest high speed setting (you can now lower the throttle rpm). That will have both high speed needle valves set correctly, and at that point you can lift that center lever adjustment of that high ridge, keeping it lifted until the point is facing the engine, then lower it into its proper position. (When you turn that lever now, you're adjusting both High Speed needle valves at the same time.)

(Slow Speed Adjustments)
Now, lowering the rpms of course, take the engine out of gear and set the throttle just to where the engine will stay running. Again, in segments of 1/8 turn, slowly start turning in one of the slow speed needle valves, waiting a few seconds between each turning for the engine to respond. As you turn the s/speed needles in, the rpms will increase..... and as it does, lower the rpms to where the engine will just stay running (otherwise the rpms will climb quite high). You will reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back the needle valve out 1/4 turn. Repeat the process with the remaining slow speed needle. Again, at some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest setting. When finished, tighten the jam nut somewhat, then remove and reinstall the s/speed knobs correctly (right side up).
 

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I found that there are a whole lot of pivot points in this linkage and most of them have slop. I'm really hoping that I can fix some of that slop and get it to work, but I did shift the lever by hand tonight, while turning the prop by hand. It seems to engage into gear fine. Could it just not be seating that shift dog in all the way to the forward gear if the adjustment is off, or is it probably just worn and popping out. I hope it's the linkage because those gears and the shift dog are around $100 each. Ugh. I'm hoping to get a chance to work on it soon and I'll post more when I do. If everything goes well, maybe I'll be able to make carb adjustments like Joe outlines. I'm crossing my fingers.:grumpy:
 
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