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  1. J

    Force 120 or 125?

    If you check the wiring from the stator going into the CD Modules, the 125HP uses the solid Blue and solid Yellow wires for both CD modules. While the 120HP uses the Brown wires with either stripe of yellow, blue or black. As for the year, it's either from 1988 up to 1991.
  2. J

    Fried wires to Regulator/Rectifier.

    The fact it only happened at the connection (butt connector) on both wire, I would surmise it was caused by loose/dirty connection. Such connection can cause a high resistance connection that will generate heat. I do not believe this was caused by high speed running engine. As for not being...
  3. J

    Extending trim switch to engine cowel.

    The picture I provided on the toggle switch you can get that from Amazon for cheaps. As for a professional looking connection use a Female Spade with Male connector (crimp type terminal). You put terminal on the new wire from the toggle switch. And then connect the existing blue striped or green...
  4. J

    Extending trim switch to engine cowel.

    Follow the red line and it's coming from the ckt breaker straight from the battery. The blue and green wire are in parallel to the existing blue and green wires connected to the original T & T switch. Even the original T&T switch at the control handle is not controlled by the ignition switch...
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    Extending trim switch to engine cowel.

    Here's a simple drawing. Tap within the engine cowling with the relays. You can use tap connectors like those used in automobile wiring or just "rat tail" it and taped off. In my case, I used about 24~30 inches of wiring, 14g- 3 wire SJOOW rubber PVC insulated cable. My switch is on the stbd...
  6. J

    Extending trim switch to engine cowel.

    I installed one on mine. I used a three way toggle switch making it easy to install by drilling a hole on the upper portion of the lower cowling starboard side. The middle pole I connected the hot wire (red) and the blue and green on the other poles. The toggle switch is spring loaded meaning it...
  7. J

    1990 Dual Force 120s one side showing 16.7v at speed with dual batteries

    No need for a fan. In fact, not even with heat sink, although that'll be nice. Try mounting it first like the Port side and then test. During test run, after about 5 minutes of WOT and charging accordingly, turn off motor, remove cowling and feel (aluminum backing) if the VR is getting hot. Hot...
  8. J

    1990 Dual Force 120s one side showing 16.7v at speed with dual batteries

    This should work for you. Note the gray wire is not a negative wire but most likely for tach connections. The body is the negative connection, meaning it should be grounded properly. Note some people mounts this with the epoxy side against the engine block while others put the aluminum side...
  9. J

    1990 Dual Force 120s one side showing 16.7v at speed with dual batteries

    Can you post pics of the universal type you have? At least the 5 wire one. It might work if the extra wire is only for the tach. Charging one battery one at a time might make sense as it gives the rectifier a time off peak charging. So removing that black wire across the two negatives could...
  10. J

    1990 Dual Force 120s one side showing 16.7v at speed with dual batteries

    Have you tried those Universal Rectifier/Regulator used on ATV"s? Many people including me had success in using this type of reg/rect. They used to sell for about $40 before but now seems to almost double up. Anyways, you can search for Universal 12V Regulator/Rectifier. Personally I'll be...
  11. J

    1997 force 40hp "tracker" -possible trim unit failure?

    Have not worked on this type of T&T. Maybe someone with more experience can chime in.
  12. J

    1997 force 40hp "tracker" -possible trim unit failure?

    Not very familiar with the type of trim on 40HP. Can you post a pic of yours?
  13. J

    1997 force mercury 40 hp- starting sequence?

    Outstanding! Enjoy the rest of the boating season, or whatever remains of it.
  14. J

    85 force lower unit drain plug

    Sometimes, the problem is fuel or it could be idle setting. As Jerry mentioned, usually idle rpm in gear is around 700-750. Idle in neutral is usually around 1000-1100 rpm. It is critical that the idle is set properly, as if there's no opening on the throttle shutter (very low idle setting)...
  15. J

    85 force lower unit drain plug

    Congrats! You see winners never quit but instead pushes some more. Enjoy and just keep the DVA for future use . . . hopefully not on this motor but on a different project. As for fuel filter between the pump and carbs, just use a cheapo Fram plastic see through G2 or G3 fuel filter (check the...
  16. J

    85 force lower unit drain plug

    Giving up at this point will be a total loss especially with the gained knowledge on the workings of the motor. Try verifying your wires again. Do not assume or just do a visual. Instead, do a continuity check on each wire you re-connect. Install all original CDM's first and hopefully get it...
  17. J

    85 force lower unit drain plug

    The swapping of parts is a quick way to ID faulty components. However, it's never fool proof. I highly recommend you start taking readings on the output from the Trigger wires and Stator. With your parts switching you should have a very good idea which parts are working based on the...
  18. J

    1990 Force 120hp question about 6 wire stator for 4cyl motor

    The only concern I have is when you stated that wires 3 and 4 are shorted. This could have a negative impact on the total performance of the stator. Anyways, if you can just look closely on the windings for burn marks and if none is present, it could be just wires are only shorted to the core...
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    1990 Force 120hp question about 6 wire stator for 4cyl motor

    Before deciding is this an after market from CDI, part#176-3095? Based from your description, it doesn't look like it is. Do you have a part number for this stator? Or is this a pull from a 5 cylinder Force motor? If it is then yes, you can just use 1-2 and 5-6 and just tape off the remaining...
  20. J

    1990 Force 120hp question about 6 wire stator for 4cyl motor

    There are 6 wires but two of those (solid yellow wires) are for the rectifier while the other 4 is for the CD modules. Not really sure which is which wire colored wise. I cannot tell by wire numbers alone. Try connecting them as per wiring diagram first and see it'll work. And those two yellow...
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