Right turn on Red ?

[Terry Olson]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Don't bother Pointer - Animal has a problem with eveyone but himself. He's a 50 year old 5 year old sticking his tongue out at anyone he can get to look. Given his posts it's clear he's lead his entire life this way. His failures are never his own. They're your fault - just ask him.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Hmm, I have been lurking on this thread as it was hijacked early.

That being said, I'm interested to know where Animal gets his info from. We only get 6 percent, yea, just 6 percent of our oil from Iraq. That's not worth the effort and loss of lives. If it was about oil, why are we putting 50% of the revenue from oil sales back into rebuilding Iraq? I thought "big oil" was keeping all the revenue?

There are several mid-east countries that have more oil than Iraq, and a smaller military to have to defeat. Why didn't Bush choose one of those?

Might want to look at the facts before you make some "educated" opinions for yourself.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Hmm, I have been lurking on this thread as it was hijacked early.

That being said, I'm interested to know where Animal gets his info from. We only get 6 percent, yea, just 6 percent of our oil from Iraq. That's not worth the effort and loss of lives. If it was about oil, why are we putting 50% of the revenue from oil sales back into rebuilding Iraq? I thought "big oil" was keeping all the revenue?

There are several mid-east countries that have more oil than Iraq, and a smaller military to have to defeat. Why didn't Bush choose one of those?

Might want to look at the facts before you make some "educated" opinions for yourself.

Because there was no way to conjure any possible reason to invade.....
He would have gotten around to Iran if given enough time....

 

[Terry Olson]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Because there was no way to conjure any possible reason to invade.....
He would have gotten around to Iran if given enough time....

Now that the thread is completely off the topic, but that's what happens in a conversation.

Originally the anti-Bush folks asserted that we were in Iraq to raid the oil supply (a ridiculous notion if given even a moment's fair and reasonable thought - and proven beyond any doubt in light of $3.00 a gallon gasoline today).

Lies about WMDs as justification for the oil raid? Tell the crack dealer you're going to serve a search warrant on his stash in three weeks, then see what you find when you conduct your search. Only a moron would believe that such a process might yield overwhelming evidence (or any evidence at all) of the activities under investigation.

If we (Haut and others) believe the invasion of Iraq was done for reasons other than those stated by the Administration - and the original assertion of the anti-Bush folks was disproven as is the case - what is the "real" reason for the invasion?

Iran is next? Isn't that Obama's stated position already?

 

[mrswaterwitch2]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Every time somebody says Bush they want to put MBA after it, just what the h#ll does MBA stand for "Must Be an ***". That doesn't make him smart. It just proves his daddy had the money to keep him in school till he got it.

I LOVE IT!!! Personally I'm not a big Bush fan (as I have one -- being female, they don't excite me). However, after hovering over the hubby's shoulder for the last few weeks, I have become somewhat of an ANIMAL fan. Finally some who can think outside the box.

Go, Animal! Pagan Power!

 

[jtexas]

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Now that the thread is completely off the topic, but that's what happens in a conversation.

Originally the anti-Bush folks asserted that we were in Iraq to raid the oil supply (a ridiculous notion if given even a moment's fair and reasonable thought - and proven beyond any doubt in light of $3.00 a gallon gasoline today).

Lies about WMDs as justification for the oil raid? Tell the crack dealer you're going to serve a search warrant on his stash in three weeks, then see what you find when you conduct your search. Only a moron would believe that such a process might yield overwhelming evidence (or any evidence at all) of the activities under investigation.

If we (Haut and others) believe the invasion of Iraq was done for reasons other than those stated by the Administration - and the original assertion of the anti-Bush folks was disproven as is the case - what is the "real" reason for the invasion?

Iran is next? Isn't that Obama's stated position already?

"we were in Iraq to raid the oil supply" - you're way to intelligent to think that any actual people believed this oversimplification, so I assume you used this phraseology to save keystrokes? Okay I guess maybe some morons advanced that theory, but I believe the less-moronic were theorizing that $3 gasoline was *not* an unintended consequence if you know what I mean. In fact I'm not convinced we can entirely rule out the possibility that economic gain had no influence on some of the high-level decision-makers. [how many negatives does it take to make a positive?]

I remember when Bush was just the guy who traded Sammy Sosa to the Cubs for Harold Baines. It's a bit unfair to say that we paid at the pump for his education, but it's a documented fact that he personally pocketed a buttload of my sales tax dollars - a pretty shrewed business move (stadium deal).

just for grins, here he is at home with Laura, my dad (far left) and myself (far right), Veteran's Day 2006.

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Thank you for the vote there mrswaterwitch2. My girlfriend, her son, and I are all pagan. When I was in CICU { after my heart attack } in Oklahoma City VA the nurse came by and asked what religion I was and when I told her I was pagan she told me there ain't no atheist in fox holes. I told her I'm not an atheist and I not in any fox hole. She asked me if I wanted to see the priest and I told her I would listen to him if he would listen to me. He never showed up. The next time I'm at the VA I'm going to go into the patiant rep and tell her I want my religion changed from other to pagan and see what she tells me. They list jew, baptist, cathloic, and all the other ones. I'll do it just to see how far I get. Bumper sticker on the back of our car reads Religious freedom means any religion. I'm about done picking on cops. I'm not stupid, when you slap a pit bull {cop} you get bit and they travel in packs and don't play fair. Our army guys have to use what they call hardball ammo that goes through with little damage but the cops get to shoot us with hollow point ammo that mushrooms out to rip a gapeing hole in you then stand behind a bullet proof vest that they tell us we can't own. Whats fair about that. If every one carried a gun we wouldn't need cops. Where I live in Oklahoma it took the cops an hour to find the house when one of my neighbors gave her husband a 9mm heart attack. Then they got all upset when she called my buddy first before them{ wanted him to come over and make sure the guy was dead,,,she was still pointing the gun at him in case he got up}. Turned out he was a wife beater and she had all she could take. Whan we catch a thief he gets fed to the bear and or wild cat that lives out back {which ever finds him first}. If anybody doesn't belive me just let me know, I'll be happy to introduce you to them. Where I live being a thief will get you shot quicker then diddling the neighbors wife. Any how ROCK ON waterwitch 1&2....ANIMAL P.S. That realy is me in the avatar picture,,,did ren fairs for a liveing for about 10 years till I had the heart attack. Where else could I get paid to look like this and get to flirt with pretty women all day.

 

[ANIMAL]

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I don't get that close to "Bushes" { unless its to take a pee...to many ticks,,,blood suckers ya know }. I don't think they would listen to me very long { they don't want to know what poor people have to say}. I'd bet that no matter how people vote we are going to be stuck with uncle Bills other half for the next 4-8 years and then baby Bush will be next in line. They are both { Bushes and Clintons } try to make this a famliy affair and we are going to be stuck with it no mater what. You can give all this any name you want but it boils down to a small group of people trying to control a big group of people. I belive the system has been rewritten and abused so much that its time for reform. In this day and age with the internet the people should be makeing the decisions not a hand full of over educatated fools in washington. Besides if you want to be a politation you should be willing to do it for free for the good of the country { the way the system works if you don't have money you won't be there anyway} When was the last time a poor man got elected to any office? At least we would know that they are there for the country not the paycheck. When the government can rewrite the constituion to read the way they want { yes they did this to make pot against the law} we are all in trouble. All ready can't say what you want in public or they will come after you and investagate your family and friends { if you get a gun stolen you won't get it back,,,part of the keep guns off the street}. And we are no better that the commies. They {our government} are doing their best to spread our capitalistic form of government all over the world. We just had more money is why we won the cold war. The ruskies ran out of money. For you people that listen to and belive what the government tells you, you need to wake up before its to late.They can grab you any time they want and make you totaly disaper if they want to. Didn't the constituion say we could throw them out and change things if we didn't like the way things are going. Start talking like that now days and you are a terrorist. Lets see, didn't the Brits call us terrorist's. Remember that terrorist is just another name for patriot. That doesn't mean I go along with blowing up buildings with women and children in them or suicide bombers { at least if there is a H*LL for suicide bombers you know they are on there way when they push the button}....ANIMAL

 

[ANIMAL]

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And no I'm not posting for rank { what does that get you anyway }. Besides I thought seaman was what was left on the sheets after a fun night in the Phlipinnes { been there,got the shirt and would like to go back for another one}.Only place I've ever been where you could be walking down the street at 11:30 pm with a girl under each arm headed for the same motel room and have 5 more try to drag you away,,,ahhh Subic bay in the '70s...ANIMAL grin not big enough.....

 

[jasonh]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Sorry Animal, but your stream-of-conscience posts have confirmed my suspicion that Pagans are by and large whackos who perhaps don't deserve a spot at the big table. I believe in your right to say and believe what ever you want, but I also believe in a system that does not grant full religious benefits to every wild eyed kook who shows up at a VA demanding his personal brand of belief be officially recognized.

I had the occasion to spend a weekend among "pagans". It seemed to me, even as a 19 year old, they had adopted a religion to legitimize their slacker, lazy lifestyle that included lots of weed and beer. Harmless maybe, but not something that encouraged success. I recall being pretty ticked off at the deplorable parenting their young toddlers were subjected to.

I've read post upon post of your opinions, so here's mine.

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Pagans had a spot at the big table before christ was ever heard of and just like any organzation there's good and bad every where. I'm sorry if my idea of going to church is going to an all night drum jam with naked women danceing around a large bon fire with a goat or pig roasting over it { to eat,,,not for sacrafice} and by the way I don't drink, and if I want to smoke pot what gives you the right to tell me I can't or how to raise kids. If I want to raise a famliy of nudist who are you or any body else to tell me what to do. I just have a big problem when someone starts telling me what I can or can not do. You can call me pagan,biker,hippie,bum,scurge of sociaty or what ever you want and you will never stop me from doing what I want even if I have to do it inside my head. The pagan religon is one of the oldest in the world and is based on mother earth. If all you saw was a bunch of drunks then you missed the point....ANIMAL

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

I've been to several RV parks and while they have electricity and sewage hookup, I've never seen one that had phone hookup. So either this guy Animal has satellite internet or a wireless card, either way, doesn't sound like he's so anti-technology and anti-gov't as he acts like he is, as both the satellite and phone companies are gov't regulated entities.

Heck, Al Gore invented the internet, and he's mainstream gov't. I've never seen a travel trailer with internet access unless it was high speed wireless, which means you have to have an address SOMEWHERE.

 

[jasonh]

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Naw, I didn't see a bunch of drunks. What I saw were people in their mid 20's who had 3 kids and were devoted only to their own pleasure. Laying on the couch, passing a joint, watching TV, and discussing the most hilariously stupid topics with stoned awe while their kids cried in the background.

Of course there is the good and bad in every organization. Some just seem to attract a disproportionate number of the bad.

Although I'd like to see me some crunchy, hirsute pagan chicks dancing around a greasy roasted pig...

 

[i386]

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Although I'd like to see me some crunchy, hirsute pagan chicks dancing around a greasy roasted pig...

If ANIMAL isn't diametrically opposed to digital cameras, perhaps he can hook that up.

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

I guess your religion is the only one that deserves to be recognized and granted full religious benefits. And what gives you or any body else the right to decide what is a religion and what is not? There was more lost because of other religions thinking they had the right to decide what was right and what was wrong than you can guess {and they are still doing it today}. I belive that if you do me or mine bad enough I should have the right to kill you, but that probbly scares you { belive it or not that would be good,,,make you think twice before screwing some one over,,,their whole famliy might come after you}. So if you want to belive in a book that has been rewritten so many times by man through history that god only knows what it first said go right ahead. But just because I choose not to does not give you or any one else the right to decide that my religion is not a recognized religion. If I want to call a rock god what should it matter to you. It doesn't mean I'm going to h*ll. I'm still beliveing in god. Its just not what you want to think of as god. Had a preacher tell me one time I had to worship in church with other people and I told him I could worship any where I want and with anybody I want. and he tried to tell me how wrong I was . And I said if I'm on a battle field I can't pray to and worship my god as I se fit. he started stumbling and stammering so I told him to go away, all he wants is my money to add to the churches coffers....ANIMAL

 

[jtexas]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

"what gives you the right to tell me I can't or how to raise kids."
"gives you or any body else the right to decide what is a religion and what is not?"

I see one guy throwin out opinions and another guy throwin out opinions but I don't see nobody tellin anybody how to do anything or deciding on what is or isn't religions.

Some might see a persecution complex here, but I couldn't possibly comment.........

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

I don't use RV parks, stay in friends yard, known him over 20 years and he belives a lot like I do. Besides RV parks do have phone hook ups if you want to pay for it. Got dsl and don't have to pay for it and it is legal so you can't trace it to an illegal hook up and why does every body want to know my address. Right now I have 3 that I recive mail at and last I heard that is not against the law { you can use any address to recive mail }. I still use mom and dads address on my D/L and will probly even after their dead. That might not be to legal but so what. and ya I got 2 digital cameras what do you want me to do with them? Stick'em where the sun don't don't shine,,,can't too much crap there already...ANIMAL

 

[ANIMAL]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Get cought takeing pictures at the drum jams and you get thrown out. At least the ones I've been to thats whats happened. Besides they wouldn't let me post them here anyway...you know people with no cloths on and kids with access. After all they have nudist sites for that. Don't know about you but I come here to visit with people not look at naked women, they got places for that and to see the good stuff you need a credit card { any body willing to loan me theirs for a couple of days }...ANIMAL

 

[Kenneth Brown]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Well gang at least he's different AND he's not trying to infringe on anyones lifestyle. If he quits grouping all cops together and treats people as individuals then he's ok with me, even if we disagree on almost every subject.

 

[mrswaterwitch2]

Re: Right turn on Red ?

Sorry Animal, but your stream-of-conscience posts have confirmed my suspicion that Pagans are by and large whackos who perhaps don't deserve a spot at the big table.

jasonh, you do have a right to you're opinion, and I nor Animal will not probably change it. However, you do not have the right to group ALL pagans together as whackos, any more than Animal has the right to group all cops together as bad persons. and Pagans made the "BIG TABLE"!!

I am not a whacko, and consider myself to be pagan. I went to catholic school for 10+ years and figured out that it's just a business like most of the other "organized" religions. Most of them contradict themselves if you investigate them thoroughly. For example, christians/catholics belive there is only one god. If you take the first commandment in the christian/catholic religion, (paraphrased) "I am the lord your god and you shall have no other gods before me". It's a nice enough thought, but it predisposes the fact that there are other gods to be had, but as a christian/catholic you can't believe that they exist. But then how can I show my allegiance to their god by snubbing the others, if I can't even acknowledge that the others exist! Too confusing for me. Example 2, Mormons are a variation of christians and believe in the words of the bible, somewhere in revelations (close to the end, not that good a memory) it says something to the effect that (again paraphrasing) "whosoever adds to or deletes from the words in this holy scripture are condemned to burn in the fires of h*ll for all eternity" and the mormons added a whole other book (Book of Mormon). Guess they didn't read that part, or they just wanted to go to spend eternity you-know-where. go Figure.

I am not an atheist, for I do believe that there are 'gods' 'fates' 'karma' or just a greater power than I regardless of what you call it. I believe in the natural order or predisposition of the world, and that my fate is in my hands. I choose my destiny and can shape my future to suit me, minding closely that for every action there is an equal yet opposite reaction (karma). I don't have all the answers, and don't claim to, but I know organized religion whichever you choose, has done nothing but make me cynical-beyond-belief at the young age of 37 (as of 10 days ago). What they're selling, I ain't buying.

Again, I'm not a whacko. I hold down a regular 8-to-5 secretarial job, and I am dang good at it. Only drink socially, and do not use drugs natural or man-made, unless prescribed by a physician for necessary health maintenance (and then only sparingly - I try to take those only when ABSOLUTELY necessary). My husband (not pagan) & I homeschool our kids by choice, and they're smarter for it.

There's a difference between pagan and just lazy ignorant people. Ask some of the those "pagans" you met to explain what being pagan means. If you get an answer that doesn't take all night, they're sadly mistaken and probably just using pagan as a way to avoid saying they don't know what religion they believe in, and it would be too much thought process for them to choose.

I reliquish my soap box, to the next in line.