johnson super sea horse

[coolguy147]

well i finally found a 35hp motor hasnt ran in a while like some years. the guy is like 84 years old and doesnt plan on doing anything with the boat. all its been doign is sitting there. well i believe it to be a 1959 johnson 35hp but not sure. has a gold ring on top fiber glass hood. the model number is


RDS-20 serial is1776205

i havent checked compression on it and checked gear oil but in a month or two i will be checking those out. yes compression ill get u number and gear oil if metal shavings and what color it is. its not sezed but its like heck to pull lol. guess cause its a bigger motor then my ten lol

its electrice start with out generator i believe. some chipped paint on the very head where spark plugs r but i dont believe its over heated. mine has chipped paint too. doest look discolored like it over heated


the guy siad he only used it once. he traded it for a 60hp gale outboard.

how much does this motor weigh if the year is right? but man ive seen pictures of these motors and its huge in comprason to my motor!!! omg i was amazed. so any thoughts on the motors.


if i do happen to get the motor it comes wiht the boat which is made by some guy a long time ago like orlando chipper or clipper think it was called. its all alumium with wooden transome and with foam under the seats so im happy no tearing up or blah blah with all that messy nesss. the guy siad he replaced the transom with marine grade plywood and a water proof coating and fiber glass also so ill check ti also oh ya i forgot to add it has elctrice start no generaor.


how u think the boat and motor with will be worth? not running. im thinking 100-200 dollors with boat and 50 only motor idk no trailer but is it ok to keep a boat in the water? fresh. its on the same lake so i could tow

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: johnson super sea horse

it's a 1958, if compression is good,it is worth repairing, the # 1 problem with those motor is the clutch dog, if it is good you have one little reliable power house. $200-250 for it to run like a new one.
http://www.outboardbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=models.main&year=1958&ID=55333

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

y is it 1958? it has a fiber glass hood and is white also. my friend said that the steering brakcet might have been replaced sometime in its life but thats white too and the 58 motors were red werent they?

can u check and see what year it is from the seiral number?

 

[HighTrim]

Re: johnson super sea horse

Based on the model number you provided, she is a 58 like Tash stated.

The dry weight of a RDS-20 on the back of CatTransplants 14'7" FG boat was 700 lbs.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

but i need to know the motors dry weight too also if i decide to drive it on my toon. the boat looks like in good condiotn with some cleaning.

y would the motor have a fiber glass hood thought? but that is starnge that the seiral numbers match the block. did 1958 have a fiber glass hood?

 

[HighTrim]

Re: johnson super sea horse

Here is a RDS-20 35 hp

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=249155

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

no the picture does not look like the motor

 

[Sea18Horse]

Re: johnson super sea horse

Does it look like this? Super sea Horse

Could have been some mix and match going on in its lifetime. 59 hood on a 58. Or a 58 transom bracket on a 59. Does the serial number from the welch plug on the block match?

I'm not sure about the weight But I think it's a good 125lbs.

..................Todd

 

[Chinewalker]

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The cowlings take about 7 seconds to swap around so it is entirely possible that your motor's original cowling took a header off the side of the highway or was deep-sixed at some point. That one single latch in front didn't always hold things in place all that well.

With electric start, that motor is more likely nudging a buck-forty for a weight...

- Scott

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

ya it looks just like that picture except better lol since its painted. i no sure the serial numbers match ill hgave to check again but its a 59 for sure then. plus its a fuel pump motor. and this guy only used it once. but i can quite remember if it had the wing flying things in back where the head is. is that part of the steering bracket? might have been changed once in its life. i know my little ten horse has a broken steering bracket but it was repaired.

in a month or two i will be checking compression and gear oil. anything else i check for buying a used outboad? hasnt ran in a couple of years. so when i check compresion i will make sure to to add some marvel mystery oil that i found in my garage. not seized. lol all these dirt homes in there too lol.

i feel the motor is worth 70 dollars top would prefer 50 tops but with boat he is selling i say 200 $$ tops but 100-150 is a good price for i think a 14foot -15foot alumium boat thats rated to 45hp. with replaced trnasom 5 years ago with fiber glass and some coating he said. and it needs new foam under seats. no stringers in there just the metal floor so i wont put any in cause of the weight. just foam under the seats which i will look at in the other topics. oh yeah the boat needs a new drain plug

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

The cowlings take about 7 seconds to swap around so it is entirely possible that your motor's original cowling took a header off the side of the highway or was deep-sixed at some point. That one single latch in front didn't always hold things in place all that well.

With electric start, that motor is more likely nudging a buck-forty for a weight...

- Scott

140 pounds u say? or 125? lol. u know they is the chance of the colwing being chnaged to. it has a gold seal on it so its a 1959 cowling. im pretty sure the seiral numbers match but not exactly sure. again i will be checking the motor more thorugly later in a month or two maybe a few weeks

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=268432&highlight=orlando+clipper



that link is what the boat abotu looks like. i believe its 14ft of 15ft. orlando clipper. serial number 186 i believe rated to 45hp max. not sure what year it was. its all alumium except transom and i believe under seats its foam. no stringers just the metal floor with the metal type bars going accross it for support. the foam needs replacing under it but i ahvent looked at it yet. transom replaced about 4-5 years ago with 3 coats of protection water proof i guess and he said fiber glass. it was marine grade plywood by the way.

once again motor hasnt ran in a couple years and he only sued it once he said. not sure of compression numbers yet or have i yet checked the gear oil yet or rest.

what u guys should i buy it for? i wnat to buy it for 100$$$ 200 tops. ill go to 120 or 140 and see whats he saids

 

[samo_ott]

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A '59 Johnson 35 weighs 136 lbs with electric start.

Asking others the price is relative. You're in Florida I believe and boats are real cheap down there because they are plentiful. I know cause I read your craigslists there. Up here just the aluminum boat would be worth $3-400. Trailer at least $200 usually more, engine maybe $100 not running. If you are going to make an offer find a comparable add or two in a local craigslist then use it when you make an offer. Start low and bargain. Or ask him what he wants for it.

Oh, and btw, I'm leaving to Florida tomorrow, am hoping to find a good buy whilst there and tow it home

 

[BSDenning]

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According to Max E. Wawrzyniak III in his book "Cheap Outboards" (which I would recommend as a great book to read to learn about these outboards) http://www.amazon.com/Cheap-Outboar...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231894701&sr=8-1 , you should avoid any electric shift models. So, make sure that the model you are looking at has a shift handle on the starboard side of the motor and not one on the front.

The book also recommends that you pull the starter rope and if the motor responds with a solid-sounding "thunk-thunk-thunk," the compression is probably good. Of course, a compression tester is the only way to tell for sure if it has good compression.

The next thing to check is the lower unit. You want to try to verify that no water has been allowed to stay in the lower unit and either freeze and crack the lower unit, or rust the components of the lower unit. Drain the lower unit oil and see if water runs out and what color the oil it. If the oil is white like a milkshake, there is water in the lower unit. Also, I would look over the lower unit for any small cracks. You could assume that since you're in Florida there are no cracks due to the mild winters, but you know what happens when you assume...

Also, check the condition of the propeller. Check for chips in the propeller and check that one blade is not bent differently than the other blades. Turn the propeller by hand with the engine in neutral and see that there is no "wobble" in the propeller or strange wear patterns on the hub.

Make sure that the motor shifts fully into forward, neutral, and reverse. You may need to spin the propeller to get it to fully engage each gear. Once you feel the gears engage, give the prop an extra hard turn to see if the engine is solidly in gear.

Remove the "cover plate" over a small hole in the top of the flywheel and slowly rotate the flywheel clockwise and use a flashlight to look down into the hole to see if the coils look new or if they are cracked and need to be replaced.

That's pretty much it along with just looking at the overall condition of the outboard. An outboard that looks nice with all of its original nobs and such has probably been taken care of whereas a rusty outboard missing knobs and such may not have been cared for as well.

Good Luck. I look forward to hearing more about it.

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

well i asked him what he wanted and he said "idk" i kinda got pissed really po but i kept my cool and just yelled it off while biking home. but i think 100$ is a good starting point and if he has a trialer maybe add 50$ or 100% depending on condition. no its not electric shift. havent checked the prop compression or geat oil yet. not even the clutch dog lol wow some other things i shouldve thought about.

he said that it ran in the st johns river once so im not sure if that was the boat or motor but im going to check the t stat in the motor and see how that is too.


where is the t stat? same place of where my ten horse is?

 

[coolguy147]

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A '59 Johnson 35 weighs 136 lbs with electric start.

Asking others the price is relative. You're in Florida I believe and boats are real cheap down there because they are plentiful. I know cause I read your craigslists there. Up here just the aluminum boat would be worth $3-400. Trailer at least $200 usually more, engine maybe $100 not running. If you are going to make an offer find a comparable add or two in a local craigslist then use it when you make an offer. Start low and bargain. Or ask him what he wants for it.

Oh, and btw, I'm leaving to Florida tomorrow, am hoping to find a good buy whilst there and tow it home

how did u find out about the weight?

 

[coolguy147]

Re: johnson super sea horse

what kind of speed u think i can get from this monster? i was thinking 25-30mph.

 

[jbjennings]

Re: johnson super sea horse

CG,
I thought you were putting it on a pontoon boat? You probably would get 25 to 35 on a lightweight planing boat, but not on the pontoon. Maybe 1/2 that on the pontoon, all according whether it will get the pontoons up on top of the water. How long is your 'toon? Are you going to keep it on the boat it came on? What kind of aluminum boat is it???? If it's a feathercraft rocket I want it. Will give you $101 for it so you'll make a little profit. Will come and get it--tomorrow.
JMO,
JBJ

 

[samo_ott]

Re: johnson super sea horse

CG,
I thought you were putting it on a pontoon boat? You probably would get 25 to 35 on a lightweight planing boat, but not on the pontoon. Maybe 1/2 that on the pontoon, all according whether it will get the pontoons up on top of the water. How long is your 'toon? Are you going to keep it on the boat it came on? What kind of aluminum boat is it???? If it's a feathercraft rocket I want it. Will give you $101 for it so you'll make a little profit. Will come and get it--tomorrow.
JMO,
JBJ

Jason, if you're gonna pick it up in Florida, I'll be there Thursday night, lets meet for a beer!

 

[samo_ott]

Re: johnson super sea horse

how did u find out about the weight?

All the specs were on the old OMC site which is not up right now. Here is a copy of the original brochure. Its hard to read but you can see it if you squint!

//www.old-omc.de/