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First rebuild - '89 Campion Allante 185 - Stringers, Deck, Transom

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  • First rebuild - '89 Campion Allante 185 - Stringers, Deck, Transom

    This is probably a question I should know the answer... I'm rebuilding an '89 Campion Allante
    185; floor and stringers are mush. I was hoping things would get better towards the transom
    but I'm obviously not one of the 1%. I'm assuming since the stringers are bad up to the
    transom, and the transom is very wet (but no actual rot visible like the floor and stringers)
    I should still replace it?
    My question is, if so, there's a well in the stern that I'm not sure what the proper name is
    but it's part of the cap and butts up against the transom so I need to do something with it.
    I REALLY don't want to try and remove the cap since this is my first rebuild and it might put
    the project's complexity beyond what I can do, Is it possible to cut the well out of the way
    and then maybe glass it back in place after the repair? Or?
    I'm open to possible options that my beginner status can accomplish! I'll attach some pics that
    show what it looks like: #1 is the rotten stringer and transom, #2 shows the well that needs to
    be moved,whatever it's called.

    Thanks in advance!


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    '89 Campion Allante 185

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    That's the splashwell, you can absolutely cut it out of the way and later glass it back it, just cut it in a section where it'll be easiest to lay glass down later.

    What do you mean the transom is wet? Did you drill out a core sample (the lower the better, boats rot bottom up)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by kcon View Post
      That's the splashwell, you can absolutely cut it out of the way and later glass it back it, just cut it in a section where it'll be easiest to lay glass down later.

      What do you mean the transom is wet? Did you drill out a core sample (the lower the better, boats rot bottom up)
      Perfect, thank you for that!
      And the transom is physically wet as water everywhere when I removed the foam. Like I
      said, it doesn't feel soft and no, I've not taken a core sample yet. I've never taken one before
      so I'll do a search on best method and let you know the outcome.
      That's great news about the splashwell. I was so not looking forward to trying to pull that
      whole cap off.
      '89 Campion Allante 185

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      • #4
        Take a picture a bit further away so we can see the back and sides too. We can then advise you on where to cut.
        1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED...Kinda!!
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        • #5
          Absolutely, that'd be a BIG help. I took this one real quick as it's getting dark but if
          one from the backside or a different angle would help, just let me know. I really appreciate
          the advise!

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          • #6
            If the stringers are rotten there are strong odds the transom is rotten so you definitely wanna rule that out, don't sweat a core sample, just gotta drill a hole in the lower portion (like an inch from the button of the hull up) of the center area of the transom (from INSIDE the hull) with a drill bit large enough to more or less see what's going on, like a 1/2 bit (just don't drill through to the other side lol). If the wood is good all you have to do is make some resin PB (epoxy+hardener+thickener, or poly+strands of fiberglass+cabosil powder)

            I think you're in luck with the design of that rear area if you wanna keep the cap on, should be simple to cut it out, you'd want to cut it where you could also glass it from the inside as well.
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            • #7
              even if your transom was just wet and not rotten. in a year or two it would be rotten.

              no way to dry it out.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by kcon View Post
                If the stringers are rotten there are strong odds the transom is rotten so you definitely wanna rule that out, don't sweat a core sample, just gotta drill a hole in the lower portion (like an inch from the button of the hull up) of the center area of the transom (from INSIDE the hull) with a drill bit large enough to more or less see what's going on, like a 1/2 bit (just don't drill through to the other side lol). If the wood is good all you have to do is make some resin PB (epoxy+hardener+thickener, or poly+strands of fiberglass+cabosil powder)

                I think you're in luck with the design of that rear area if you wanna keep the cap on, should be simple to cut it out, you'd want to cut it where you could also glass it from the inside as well.
                Thanks for the tips.
                I caught your build thread too and read through it from the start and subscribed. Great job and
                I appreciate all your help with my questions!
                '89 Campion Allante 185

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Scott Danforth View Post
                  even if your transom was just wet and not rotten. in a year or two it would be rotten.

                  no way to dry it out.
                  Ya, I think it was just a momentary burst of optimism when I saw it and it was the first time I've
                  seen something so far during this process that wasn't black and had the consistency of warm
                  brownie.
                  '89 Campion Allante 185

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                  • #10
                    your lucky, most of the time the wood just oozes out having the consistency of my dogs bm's
                    Cheesehead boating the Gulf Coast of FLA 27.51° N, 82.53° W

                    1988 Cruisers Rogue 2420 -VP 290 DP now powered by custom 468 - https://forums.iboats.com/forum/owner...988-rogue-2420

                    Past Boats
                    1970 Wooster Hellion - Merc 9.8
                    2002 SeaRay 190BR - 5.0 - A1G2 - "Cheeseheads in Paradise"
                    1984 Avanti 170DLI -3.0 stringer- "Ship Happens"

                    What’s behind you doesn’t matter.Enzo Ferrari

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                    • #11
                      Hahaha... quite the visual.
                      Probably made it easier to remove the wood though! I'm going to get the other seat and storage out of the
                      stern tomorrow and then do a core test.
                      '89 Campion Allante 185

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by steve_h7 View Post
                        then do a core test.
                        doubt its needed.... you already know your redoing everything.
                        Cheesehead boating the Gulf Coast of FLA 27.51° N, 82.53° W

                        1988 Cruisers Rogue 2420 -VP 290 DP now powered by custom 468 - https://forums.iboats.com/forum/owner...988-rogue-2420

                        Past Boats
                        1970 Wooster Hellion - Merc 9.8
                        2002 SeaRay 190BR - 5.0 - A1G2 - "Cheeseheads in Paradise"
                        1984 Avanti 170DLI -3.0 stringer- "Ship Happens"

                        What’s behind you doesn’t matter.Enzo Ferrari

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scott Danforth View Post

                          doubt its needed.... you already know your redoing everything.
                          You're right but I still had a little voice saying, "Well, maybe it's okay?"....

                          I got the last seat and storage out and drilled 4 holes in the transom... none were black wood but
                          all were wet. We've gone this far I might as well replace it all. I'll take some more detail pictures of
                          the splash well and the underside of it and see if you all have an opinion of where might be best to
                          cut it to access the transom.

                          Thanks all!
                          '89 Campion Allante 185

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by steve_h7 View Post

                            Thanks for the tips.
                            I caught your build thread too and read through it from the start and subscribed. Great job and
                            I appreciate all your help with my questions!
                            Thanks much for the support! It's a long ride coming to an end very soon!


                            Originally posted by steve_h7 View Post
                            drilled 4 holes in the transom... none were black wood but
                            all were wet. We've gone this far I might as well replace it all.
                            Right on the money, good thing you did. The presence of ANY water in that wood is bad bad bad, you'll be far happier down the road that you're replacing the transom.


                            Take a top down, from the rear, pic of the boat - I'm thinking, in my perspective, it may be best to cut the whole rear top cap off from like 2 feet back, it map be the easiest portion of the cap to glass back together, and leave plenty of space to work.
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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by steve_h7 View Post

                              You're right but I still had a little voice saying, "Well, maybe it's okay?"....

                              I got the last seat and storage out and drilled 4 holes in the transom... none were black wood but
                              all were wet. We've gone this far I might as well replace it all. I'll take some more detail pictures of
                              the splash well and the underside of it and see if you all have an opinion of where might be best to
                              cut it to access the transom.

                              Thanks all!
                              Yea that voice drove me CRAZY for awhile, like all of us. It's like that little devil sitting on your shoulder going Nah.. it's gonna be ok then the other side says...told ya so.! Almost broke my neck going back and forth with them guys.
                              Just a little further it'll be ok..... neva is!
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