my 1991 capri rebuild

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

i think i need to start posting more pics so people arent bored with this thread and start posting in it ha

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

Definitely use PB NOT PL to glue the wood transom to the outer skin of your boat. Your transom wood should be at the exact same height of the outer skin. If it is not, grind the wood down until it is. I'd recommend buying a factory drain tube for your boat and not using PVC. They make plastice ones that are really easy to install. Once the Top cap is back on you can drill a small pilot hole in the center of the existing drain hole and then drill from the outside with the full sized hole. I'd recommend laying a large bead of PL on the top of the transom to seal it to the top cap when you install it. That way if you or the next owner want to remove the cap again it will be easy to break the seal. PL remains flexible even when fully cured.

 

[bleedblue94]

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thank you, and when tabbing the transom wood to the shell i will tab the bottom and sides to the hull, but is it necessary to do anything with the top, or will the PB be enough, bc i have no clue how to cleanly tab the top and have the cap fit without having to do massive glassing work. seems the csm i have on the transom wood already will be fine to protect the transom wood, and the tabbing i will do for the bottom and sides should be enough to secure the transom

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

Check the drawings in the link in my signature below.

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

yeah i have those pics saved ha. was just referring to only the top.

on a side note your pictures show a layer of 1708 on top of another layer of 1708 for the tabbing of the transom, but in the stringer picture it shows a layer of csm between the layers of 1708. i believe earlier it was said to do 1708/csm/1708 always keeping a layer of csm between the 1708 layers. is this referring to the side of csm attached to the woven side of the 1708 or a separate layer of csm between the 1708 sheets? seems what people were talking about before was basically to make sure you do 1708 w the csm side down on the hull, and then the second layer of the 1708 csm side down again so you never have the woven sides of the 1708 against each other?

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

If you are referring to the top edge of the transom, hopefully you put CSM on the edges of the wood already. And yep you are correct there should be a layer of CSM between the 1708 layers on your transom. 1708 has CSM sewn to it but it is better to go ahead an put the extra layer of csm in there.

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

thanks, and yes the transom has a complete layer of csm on it and two layers on the edges

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

well i had to redo some of the csm on the transom before i put it in. probably a product of me being overly anal but i didnt like how the edges laid. took care of that yesterday and today got the transom in with most of the PB fillet done. i just took a look at it and i will need to add allittle more before i tab but most of it is set

this is what the old transom looked like... lovely


makeshift cover setup, thankfully i grabbed another canopy and dropped the bow to the ground bc it started raining tonight out of nowhere


clamp setup thanks to someone's suggestion on this site


PB around the drain plug came out nicely


lights, aka makeshift heat


sunday i should be able to finish with the PB fillets and then tab in the transom, and also skin it. after that i will put the cap back in place and then finish removing the deck and stringers. this is shaping up to be a very productive weekend

 

[93bayliner1800]

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I am enjoying reading your posts. I just started removing floor from my 93 Capri outboard. I found myself in the same boat with need ind to remove the top shell. I actually was thinking about building supports off the trailer to help it keep its shape....I figure the hull would go out before in. I too was thinking of removing hull just enough to rebuild transom and then sliding back on and completing stringers, deck, etc.. then removing again lifting straight up and building those little boxes and area around where the top shell steps inward in front of outboard. Question...will you need to replace that band that goes all the way around the shell?

 

[93bayliner1800]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

Also for those who can chime in.....should I start my own thread fro my rebuild?

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

I am enjoying reading your posts. I just started removing floor from my 93 Capri outboard. I found myself in the same boat with need ind to remove the top shell. I actually was thinking about building supports off the trailer to help it keep its shape....I figure the hull would go out before in. I too was thinking of removing hull just enough to rebuild transom and then sliding back on and completing stringers, deck, etc.. then removing again lifting straight up and building those little boxes and area around where the top shell steps inward in front of outboard. Question...will you need to replace that band that goes all the way around the shell?

no i wont. if you are careful when you remove it it wont break. it may bend, but take care to not stress it too much. from what i understand that rub rail is pretty expensive to replace. the plastic insert was pretty stiff from years of UV so it did crack in one spot but i should be able to still use it and or get a new strip, but the metal is good. any other questions just ask. i love the shape of this boat but it can be a pain to work on with the design of the stern

 

[93bayliner1800]

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ok...so when I remove the rub rail...then the rivets....after removing the motor of course. Just is just lift off? I thought today about making a crane out of wood to go up and over the boat in the front and rear and using the rope tie downs points to tie to and lift. Would this work? How did you do it? Thanks again for the help. Tim

 

[bleedblue94]

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ok...so when I remove the rub rail...then the rivets....after removing the motor of course. Just is just lift off? I thought today about making a crane out of wood to go up and over the boat in the front and rear and using the rope tie downs points to tie to and lift. Would this work? How did you do it? Thanks again for the help. Tim

i found some adhesive in some spots. i honestly just manned up and got in the boat and lifted the cap myself in certain locations, and then used 2x4s in between the hull and cap to prop it up. in places that i couldnt separate it by hand i used my engine hoist to pop them apart. just be sure if you have an outboard designed boat that you remove the splashwell drain tubes .

 

[bleedblue94]

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on my boat, could someone chime in about this. i have a spot where the hull seems thin. i want to add some thickness and used some PB to bring it up abit. now i assume i should lay some csm and then 1708 over the csm, but should i lay the 1708 with the csm side of it down or up? im thinking to lay it down. just making sure.

if i can heat the boat up enough tomorrow i hope to add some more PB around the transom as needed to make it easier to tab and then tab the transom in with 1708 tomorrow

 

[bleedblue94]

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well the transom is completely tabbed and skinned. it was 25 degrees out today but i turned the lights on just to see if they would warm the area up enough and they did, so i managed to get it all done. im beyond happy about this. it was my first time working with 1708 and i cannot believe how great it is to use. i had an easier time working with the 1708 then csm ha. mixxed some PB to completely ease all transitions and then did the whole tabbing and skinning all wet on wet. the cold weather played right into my hands on this one and let me get everything on before it started to kick. preparation in beyond key; have everything cut and laid out in an organized fashion before starting this.

ill prob leave the lights and tenting up for 2 full days to make sure everything is cured up prefect without any issues, then on wed or thursday pull all that away from the boat and install my new 3 step ladder, reinforce all the eyelets and cleats, and then reset the cap on the hull. im going to use a piece of 3/4" ply on the inside of the hull for the bolts to anchor to for the ladder as well as all the cleats and eyelets. i then will need to mix some runny resin with CS to fill some small voids i found on the edge of the hull where the cap comes on. all in all a very productive 2 days this weekend

 

[Woodonglass]

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CSM side on 1708 is recommended to go down. I've heard of some doing it the other way but I have not. My reasearch tells me the MFG created it with the intent that it would be applied CSM side down.

 

[bleedblue94]

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was all excited about my new ladder for the boat. the stock bayliner one is a single step and terrible. i do like that its designed to fit under the hull from the factory and there is a stepping at that level to get up. well, my excitement was tempered when i found that the measurements from the seller were wrong and the mounting brackets was 1.5" too long and would stick out from the hull. so after i got done swearing up a storm i looked at the stock ladder base and decided to try to hollow out the ladder area from it.



and it fits ha the base fits nice, the ladder will completely tuck and work great, not to mention the stock base ladder opening is just right for the new ladder to swing out from



and extended



disaster averted and im actually happy with this bc it will allow me to maintain the top final step from the stock base

 

[bleedblue94]

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here is the patch/reinforcement job i did. just need to cut/sand the excess away



and transom is in (FYI those are not air bubbles, they are very slight bumps in the PB i laid that the camera is making look MUCH bigger)







cap goes back on tomorrow or monday and then we tear into the stringers and deck

 

[bleedblue94]

Re: my 1991 capri rebuild

slowly starting to come back together. cap is back on. transom is done but messy. foam is coming out in large chunks which makes it easier. im finding that the backside of a hammer makes a great pick for removing foam. also my camera phone took a poop on me so im stuck with these terrible pictures till the new phone arrives but its still progress









it looks like a heap now but i cannot wait to get this boat back in good condition.

 

[riptorn]

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I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread completely but you are doing one hel of a job. I tip my hat. I did the same with an old 16 ft Humber 25 years ago. No comparison with a Capri. A lot of work man.
Just curiosity, did you weigh your boat before you stated your project? I use to build sail boats back in the early 70's and learned that too much weight could compromise the speed and balance of the boat. I am pretty sure you took that into consideration.
Good job