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[southkogs]

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Well said.

But don't kid yourself. Profane idiots are everywhere. And their numbers appear to be increasing ... They couldn't care less about what's said in front of your children, or theirs. (Though typically blow boat captains are a little more restrained?)

"Respect" is a good word but I prefer "Camaraderie". Both of which concepts a lot of boaters seem to be deficient in these days.

Like most of us I'd assume. I go out of my way to avoid getting the 'authorities' involved in any matter. But in this case if the sailboat capt was indeed mouthing off'n being profane. After running into another boat?! I wouldn't hesitate to round up witnesses'n call the cops.

Bravo.

I agree, there used to be understood rules of respect and almost a chivalry on the water. Those unwritten laws are getting trampled on constantly now, and the goobers who are doing the spoiling really don't care how loud they are about it. Last summer we got nearly run down three times at speed - once was intentionally as some yahoo in a 24 footer decided to run a 360 around my much slower and smaller 15'. I had my wife and three kids grab the rails as we sucked his turn wake over the bow. He honked his horn and waved as we stood there in 2" of water with the pump going.

That kind of thing - like this sailboat skipper - make a good case for cannons and privateering.

 

[sw33ttooth]

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well i once read if sails were up the sail boat has right of way, but if your boat is tied up at a dock and not moving i would think its just as bad as rear ending some one on the road and the sail boat should get a ticket. if the sail boat was using a motor then i would think horsepower rights and seeing as most sail boats have a 5-10 hp motor they are at fualt again and should have waited. same thing goes on the road tonage rights that big rig 53' trailer has more of a "right a way" then your little car or truck.

at the point in which the sail boater started cussing i would have called the cops and had a report wrote up if there was the smallest of scratches on the rub rail. make him pay for a new one and labor to install it. i am the kind of person who would have said its alright, if there was no damage, and it was an accident, push his boat away and tell them to have a good day, but for rude people i like to go the extra mile.

nothing against sailboats, i quite often boat on a lake with hundreds of them little buggers they have races couple times a week which is fine they have there own marked off area and i stay away from it. the nice thing about sailboats is they have a much deeper draft then my boat and they have a really tall mast with a light on top so at night i can just follow them in if there going to the same boat ramp as me.

 

[greenbush future]

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Well i'm new to the boating world but, I think the docking areas at at fault for not having a traffic light at such a busy and congested ramp. There are so many variables to take into consideration in the matter.# 1 did the power boat operator check all his rear view mirrors and why would the blow boat not apply his brakes. It's just a sad mis fortune of all involved, just be thankful noone was injured and as far as the yelling and screaming in front of kids, thats just not right. Well any ways hopefully both boats were insured and the kids will hear worse language on the school bus. Just my 2 cents not that 2 cents can buy you anything these days, Well enough EVERYONE PLEASE BE SAFE AND HAPPY BOATING.

Boats do not have brakes, cars and trucks do.

Lakes and lauch sites dont have traffic lights, but roads do.

Boat launches are not there to conduct water traffic patrol

The only ones at fault are the ones who failed to respect the others, but with a little basic knowledge, there is room for everyone. Learning the basics on the water is time well spent to avoid silly things like this.
The day they put traffic lights on water will be the day I sell my boat.
Cussing in front of kids just shows how low some people can go, and they breed!

 

[ezmobee]

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Boats do not have brakes, cars and trucks do.

Lakes and lauch sites dont have traffic lights, but roads do.

Boat launches are not there to conduct water traffic patrol

Looks like someone's sarcasm meter is in of a recalibration......

 

[V153]

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Looks like someone's sarcasm meter is in of a recalibration......

Mebbe the needle's stuck, hit it with a hammer ...?

 

[H20Rat]

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Boats do not have brakes, cars and trucks do.

Some of us DO have brakes on our boat... 40 mph to stopped in about 3 or 4 boatlengths max. Yes, I spend the next 15 minutes running 3 bilge pumps + engine suction pump to empty out the boat though.

 

[soggy_feet]

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Mebbe the needle's stuck, hit it with a hammer ...?

If you think it'll help....

 

[V153]

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If you think it'll help....

Heh heh heh. "Break it down now ..."

 

[LippCJ7]

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I absolutely agree fellas that the Mutual Respect on the water is going downhill faster then Congressman Weiners career, but that can be said of a lot of things, Driving waiting in any kind of line etc. Guys Have a Happy and safe Father's Day!!

 

[sw33ttooth]

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yes i have all sorts of problems at the gas stations. people dont know how to move there car when there done, they take 15 minuites in the store while there car is infront of a pump. last night this idiot seen i was behind him and he took the first pump avalible not the second, then i must drive around him.... some times dont you just want to KILL THEM!!!! walk up bang bang bang, then fill your tank and leave? so if people cant do something as simple as filling there car's gas tank, they surely dont know how to wait in line at the marina to get out.

 

[TerryMSU]

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yes i have all sorts of problems at the gas stations. people dont know how to move there car when there done, they take 15 minuites in the store while there car is infront of a pump.

The reason that they don't move is that they have to pay before they move. So... You go in to pay, and while you are in the station, you need to hit the head, grab a bag of munchies, and then you have to wait in line to pay. Prepay makes it even worse. Then you have to stand in line twice.

TerryMSU

 

[greenbush future]

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"Hoser"
I re-read my post and agree with others, I was a bit sarcastic and kind of rude of me, to reply the way I did.
I will be more sensitive and respectful of others opinions moving forward.

 

[soggy_feet]

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speaking of gas pumps, I watched a lady pull the nozzle out of her tank before she removed her hand from the lever yesterday. Sprayed gas all over the side of her crossover, her leg, and the ground.
Pay at the pump, so she just quickly got in her vehicle, and drove away.

So much for spilled gas being YOUR responsibility.... should have asked her if she needed a cigarette or somethin,..

 

[Mark SF]

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It's clear that none of you, including the sailboat captain, know the navigation rules, or indeed the accident reporting ones. Maybe time to read up a little?

Firstly, there is no such concept in water navigation as "right of way". There are guidelines as to who should do what in various situations, where there is the concept of who is the "stand-on" boat, and who should change course. But even if you are the stand-on boat you must still do everything you can to avoid a collision, including changing course when it is clear that the other boat is not. There is never, ever, the right to crash into another boat because you have the "right of way".

If the sailboat did not try to avoid a crash then it is at fault. Entering a dock area when there is no room to dock would be a stupid thing to do. The correct thing would be to go around again until the dock is clear.

I'm not clear whether the sailboat was entering the dock, or just passing it? If the powerboat backed out into it's path he's probably at more fault. On the other hand if the sailboat sailed into a busy dock expecting everyone to scatter I would say that's pretty dumb.

I should also point out that the requirement for accident reporting in most states is if there is death, injury, or property damage exceeding $2000, which in this case there was not, so there was no legal requirement on either captain to report it.

 

[ezmobee]

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Maybe time to be a little less condescending?

 

[Home Cookin']

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"It's clear that none of you, including the sailboat captain, know the navigation rules, or indeed the accident reporting ones. Maybe time to read up a little?"

I do! I do! Pick me!

Nothing you said is new. And there is a lot of missing information that might affect the "correct" evaluation. But the OP merely asked for comments, not a verdict from a captain's mast.

Many of us know that there is no "right of way" and also understand the "Right of weight." However, in general discussion and common parlance, "right of way" is the concept, short-hand if you will, for the rules as which boat is the stand-on. Therefore, you an expect tyhe term to be used even if it isn't precisely correct.

As for reporting: you may have correctly stated the requirements for accident reporting, but that doesn't mean that (a) one cannot report an accident of <$2000 or (b) that one cannot report reckless boating or other infractions. Regardless of specifics like speed limits, no-wakes and avoidance zones, the overall rule is "safe for conditions" and that can be enforced for close calls that do not result in an accident.

 

[V153]

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"It's clear that none of you, including the sailboat captain, know the navigation rules, or indeed the accident reporting ones. Maybe time to read up a little?"

I do! I do! Pick me!

Nothing you said is new. And there is a lot of missing information that might affect the "correct" evaluation. But the OP merely asked for comments, not a verdict from a captain's mast.

Many of us know that there is no "right of way" and also understand the "Right of weight." However, in general discussion and common parlance, "right of way" is the concept, short-hand if you will, for the rules as which boat is the stand-on. Therefore, you an expect tyhe term to be used even if it isn't precisely correct.

As for reporting: you may have correctly stated the requirements for accident reporting, but that doesn't mean that (a) one cannot report an accident of <$2000 or (b) that one cannot report reckless boating or other infractions. Regardless of specifics like speed limits, no-wakes and avoidance zones, the overall rule is "safe for conditions" and that can be enforced for close calls that do not result in an accident.

Harrumph!!!

 

[kahuna123]

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Wrong

A sailboat NOT in a marked channel at sea or in open water UNDER sail DOES have right of way. On the other hand. A sailboat in a marked channel should not be under sail. Should be under power with the sails down and is under the same rules of right of way as any other boat. The rule of right of way is when two vessels are on a collision course in open water the vessel to port ( bayliners that means left) has the right of way.

 

[ezmobee]

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( bayliners that means left)

....and that should about do it. CLOSED.