Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Foxstoy

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I have the carpet ripped up and hoping to have some questions answered by those of you who have done this before. I found out a a few small holes in the bottom of the boat I purchased a month ago. Got the holes fixed now figure with off season coming I should replace what is needed in a couple of areas where the leak was because it cause the floor to be soft on the drivers side of the boat. So my first challenge is how do I get the wood up and how far do I go with it? Do I only replace what is bad how do you get past the fiberglass coating? Do I cant find the screws do I just cut everything I can out? I have the availability of putting in solid 1/2 expanded PVC so I wouldn't have a rot issue in the future. Has anyone else done that before? Sorry for all the questions.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

On a 30yr old boat, be prepared for much more needing to be done then you expect.

Read thru some of the resto threads, you may be quite surprised what could be hidden beneath a seemingly sound deck (floor) of a boat.

Where was the leak in the hull?

Post some pix of the boat, the hull damage (if you have any pre-fix pix of it), and the repair you've made.

Not familiar w/ the PVC product you suggest, what is it? A link to their website would be helpful, as would a pix of it if you have/can find one.

Ask as many questions as you think necessary. ;) Esp if someone suggests a method/repair plan that you don't understand.

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Thanks I will take some photos tonight. The PVC is an expanded white or black material used for many things. Its solid and normally is more costly wood but less than Marine wood but I wouldn't have to fiberglass any of it expect for the seams.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Problem with the PVC is what will stick to it. Not sure Polyester resin will. Pretty sure Epoxy will.
 

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Yep ^^^

You'll need to glass the butt seams between sheets, & all along the edges of the sheets where they meet the side of the hull.

The deck is a major structural element of the hull's construction, ..using a product that MIGHT adhere to the PVC or that will bond to the PVC but MAYBE NOT the existing fiberglass hull doesn't sound wise.

If you post the product you intend to use, perhaps someone will post up an alternative that polyester or epoxy resin will bond to, or a product that will bond to both the PVC & the existing fiberglass.

The seems & edges at the hull will need to be fiberglassed, so make sure the bonding agent for PVC/fiberglass hull is compatible w/ the fiberglass cloth.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Yes I will, I figured I would have to bond all the seams. Have any of you hear of Sintra/Celtec/Komerling. They are all an expanded PVC.
 

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Um, not sure which you plan to use, but the 1st, Sintra, lists in it's properties that it's NOT recommended for structural applications, the deck (IMHO) is structural.

The 2nd, Celtec is $212.47 for a 3/4" thick 4X8 sheet, or $136.60 for a 3/8" thick 4X8 sheet. That's SIGNIFICANTLY more per sheet before shipping or tax then marine plywood, which MOST rebuilds don't use.

The 3rd didn't pull up any retail listings w/ pricing after a quick search...


IMHO, you may be overthinking both the problem & the solution. The problem isn't water, leaks or the damage it can cause, it's a boat, it's going to get wet. It's how the wet boat was dealt with by prior owners.

Kept bow high, well covered, and maintained, a fiberglassed deck, stringers & transom should last many many decades.

Look thru some of the resto's as suggested earlier. Lots of good info in most of them. Occasionally, you will find someone suggests a non-traditional repair material. There have been quite a few.

The vast majority of those non-traditional materials & methods are NOT used in the ultimate rehab of the boat. Often the material isn't well suited to DIY backyard boat builder's use. Some prove significantly harder to work with, cost much more or are much harder to source then expected.

Very rarely someone does follow thru & use non-traditional stuff, and possibly have great results.

The only 1 I can think of off hand is an Australian or New Zealand rebuild that used honeycomb composite sheet goods for their transom, stringers & deck. They had great access to it & it's required bonding agent (epoxy), thru work, I think, and lots of 1st hand knowledge of the product & it's usage.

Once the transom, stringers & deck were completed though, I've not seen anything further posted. I suspect the project was finished, but don't have any long term use data on its ultimate success or not.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

How much does a 1/2" 4x8 sheet of PVC weigh? the same dimensions in plywood weighs 50 lbs.
 

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1/2" 4X8 = 44lbs Celtec

Other 2 were not a quickly found answer, but as non-structural material, I wouldn't use it if it offered more then 50% weight savings.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Non-structural wouldn't even be a consideration for deck material in my boat even if it was free and a 4x8 sheet weighed half as much as a sparrow feather.

As JBC suggested earlier, wood is about as good as it gets for the parts of a boat that're already made out of wood. Neglect is what rots the wood in a boat.

Wood installed right in a boat that is taken care of will last for generations... and there's plenty of info on this site on how yo install it the right way, but taking care of your boat will be up to you.
 

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Re: Working on removing soft floor in 84 Imperial 17'

Thanks all you have been very helpful. I will having the boat repaired properly in the spring. I found someone who has been doing it the correct way for years and I will using them as for now I am just going to get thru a few more weeks with a patch until it can be done properly. I took care of the leak so that I wont have water in the future. I know this boat did sit out on life when used during its previous life and covered. Now it will be spending its time inside storage more than out. Thanks again you all have been very helpful.
 
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