Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

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Stupid is as Stupid does...
 

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With Saab 9-5 4 cyl . . .

U-Haul hitch bolted through frame . . .

But keep in mind boat is only 14' 9" and is aluminum!

I would never attempt this with a fiberglass rig.

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Looks great to me Expidia. Used to be that, before gas went through the roof 7 litre duellies looked pretty cool never mind the weekend warriors buying them were towing a tenth of what the truck was made for and snickered at anyone driving less. Now the automakers can't close the assembly plants fast enough and folks are finally considering what's reasonable.

If your vehicle and trailer are in good condition and you can drive sensibly, load er up to the last rated ounce. Just realize you do have to drive differently.
 

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yeah it will pull it... ur grand prix is either a 3800 seriese 3 or a 3100. i had a 1996 chevrolet lumina with a 3100 and i have a 17 ft. grumman skidaddle with a 70 hp mercury and that car pulled it no problem... it pulled it better than my buddies ford ranger with a 3.0 6 cylinder engine... just make sure you get at least a class 2 hitch... do not get a class 1. the class 1 will be ripped right off. ohh just one thing, when you do get a hitch put on your car make sure it bolts to the frame rail not the floor where the spair tire would be... i had a class 2 draw-tite hitch that was mounted to the frame and the bumper mounts... it will pull your boat, dont worry about it, just dont put the pettle to the metal and keep room behind other vehicles because its not a truck its a car and lot lighter so it will take a lot longer to stop in an emergency... trust me on that one...
 
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I tow my 14' jon with an 00 V6 Accord and it handles the 700# well and gets 17-20MPG doing it. Much better than my Durango that gets at best 15MPG towing nothing. Even launched a few times from a packed gravel beach without traction problems,,, though I wouldn't suggest this if your not confident the ground is solid.

Check the GP user manual to verify the tow rating and then scale the boat to see what it weighs completely loaded, anchors, ice chest, tackle, etc. I don't think it's impossible as long as your within the capacities of the car, but you also have to consider where you will be launching the boat, steep, slick or rough launch ramps could be a problem.
 

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Check the GP user manual to verify the tow rating and then scale the boat to see what it weighs completely loaded, anchors, ice chest, tackle, etc.

When you say fully loaded . . .

Question #1: when I figured out my tongue weight, which I got off the trailers sticker. . . Doesn't the weight of the 600 lbs trailer factor into the equation of how much your tow vehicle can tow?


Question #2 can anyone tell me if it's possible to add trailer brakes onto the Shoreland'r above in my pic? How much apprx if I could do it?
 

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Yes, the trailer weight figures into the equation, the vehicles tow rating is for everything connected to the hitch; trailer, boat and additional gear in boat. Basically all the extra weight the vehicle is pulling and stopping. The tongue weight should be 10-15% of the total trailer weight, (trailer, boat and gear).
 

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Yes, the trailer weight figures into the equation, the vehicles tow rating is for everything connected to the hitch; trailer, boat and additional gear in boat. Basically all the extra weight the vehicle is pulling and stopping. The tongue weight should be 10-15% of the total trailer weight, (trailer, boat and gear).

Thx for the response FD

Also, one should check their trailer manufactuer's website. I always see that 10-15% tongue weight quoted here . . . but my instructions that came with my new trailer and a check on their website says 5-7%.

It also says these numbers can vary for smaller boats.
 

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Question #2 can anyone tell me if it's possible to add trailer brakes onto the Shoreland'r above in my pic? How much apprx if I could do it?

Yes, it is possible. I'm assuming you have a 2000 lb axle with 12 inch wheels, so you want 7 inch brakes. Most 2000 lb axles are built without brake flanges (saves the trailer manufacturer about $5) so you would need a new axle along with the brake components. 7 inch brakes are a bit rare (most people pull class I trailers with SUVs, minivans or trucks and don't need brakes) but they can be found. If you have 13 inch wheels, you could also go with a 3500 lb axle and 10 inch brakes (much more common and about the same price).

I just bought a 2000 lb axle with electric brakes for my 14.5 ft Glasspar on a Calkins trailer (about 1500-1600 lb altogether) for $250. Like you and the O.P., I'm towing with a small car (Saturn S-series in my case) and I didn't like the lack of stopping power without trailer brakes. I thought about getting bigger wheels and going with a 3500 lb axle and 10 inch brakes, but the only common 13 inch trailer tire size seems to be 175/80-13, which is too big in diameter (I'd like to lower the trailer, not raise it!).
 

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Yes, it is possible. I'm assuming you have a 2000 lb axle with 12 inch wheels, so you want 7 inch brakes. Most 2000 lb axles are built without brake flanges (saves the trailer manufacturer about $5) so you would need a new axle along with the brake components. 7 inch brakes are a bit rare (most people pull class I trailers with SUVs, minivans or trucks and don't need brakes) but they can be found. If you have 13 inch wheels, you could also go with a 3500 lb axle and 10 inch brakes (much more common and about the same price).

I just bought a 2000 lb axle with electric brakes for my 14.5 ft Glasspar on a Calkins trailer (about 1500-1600 lb altogether) for $250. Like you and the O.P., I'm towing with a small car (Saturn S-series in my case) and I didn't like the lack of stopping power without trailer brakes. I thought about getting bigger wheels and going with a 3500 lb axle and 10 inch brakes, but the only common 13 inch trailer tire size seems to be 175/80-13, which is too big in diameter (I'd like to lower the trailer, not raise it!).


Great answer T48, I was just about to start another thread and ask same question again. Too bad about having to replace the whole axle for me since 3 weeks after I bought the new trailer for $650 I hit an under water rock while pulling boat out of launch ramp and bent it.

I had noticed that both tires wore (tread scrubbed right off new tires) out in a 3 hour drive.

So it cost me $400 to replace "the whole axle". That hurt on a $650 trailer.

I find the braking to soft for my concerns. Sure, I can leave space but that's not going to help if something runs out in front of me or someone stops quickly.

Also front brake pads and rotors are not as cheap as they used to be especially on a Saab.

So where did you find your axle with electric brakes for $250?

Here is my sticker: looks to be 2000 lbs I think.

How much from this sticker does my trailer weigh (for calc tongue weight) I take these numbers at 600 lbs?

Wheel size 5.30 X 12

It's a Shoreland'r by Midwest industries.
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We have a 2005 Grand Prix with the 3.8 litre in it. It is a great car and we love to drive it.......but !!!! I would not consider towing anything with it. That is why we have our "Cheap and Cheerful" 1998 GMC Jimmy to do the hauling with. Heavy on gas but light on transmissions so far!!!! which is more than I can say for towing with a minivan !!!!
Just my thoughts for a healthy life for your vehicle.
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So where did you find your axle with electric brakes for $250?

I shopped around the local truck and trailer parts companies. I got quotes ranging from $250 up to $550, with most being around $300. Half of them quoted me on a 2000 lb axle and the other quoted me on a 3500 lb axle because that was the smallest size they sold. The axle was manufactured by Standens in Calgary and the brakes are standard Dexter parts.

Do you have torflex axles (no leaf springs)? If so, that could explain the $400 pricetag. Otherwise, a 2000 lb idler axle should be in the $100 range and no more than 2 hours labour to install (probably only 1).

Here is my sticker: looks to be 2000 lbs I think.

How much from this sticker does my trailer weigh (for calc tongue weight) I take these numbers at 600 lbs?

Wheel size 5.30 X 12

It's a Shoreland'r by Midwest industries.
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Definitely looks like a 2000 lb axle, but I'm not sure if the trailer actually weighs 600 lb, it could be less. 2000 lb is the smallest standard axle size so the load carrying capacity of the trailer may be determined by something other than the axle. Sometimes it's the tires, but your sticker specifies load range C (475 kg for 5.3 x 12 tires), so it isn't those. It could also be the trailer frame itself. If so, the trailer might weigh as little as 300 lb. You could bring a bathroom scale next time you launch your boat to weigh the trailer empty - even if it is 600 lb, each wheel will be within the capacity of a typical 300 lb scale.

It looks like your trailer was manufactured in the USA for sale in Canada, then ended up back in the USA. Interesting.
 

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T 48 thx for your response. I'll try calling around. I have leaf springs cause I noticed they are starting to rust after less than a year in freshwater yet. Quality stuff!

The axle is cheap stuff too. Just a light weight thin metal U.

I knew I was paying by using the Lund dealer where I bought the boat to order another axle and install it, but I only had the boat a few weeks and it was not delivered till late June even though I ordered it in March.

Also figured I'd have to start drilling holes if I bought an after market axle. If after they installed the OEM axle and the tires were still wearing due to improper axlee alignment the dealer would have been responsible to get it right. And put on two new tires again.

Around here we can have an 8 week boating season very easily weatherwise. I remember one year when we belonged to a pool club it rained the whole month of August, so I wanted the boat fixed fast. The 4 new tires I went thru in two trips cost me $75 each plus mounting. So I had to bite the bullet and get'er done at the dealer.

Now that I know what to look for and asked for I should be able to find one. I didn't know they made electric brakes. I can do the whole swap myself.

I should be able to sell the old parts on Craigslist pretty easily which will lower my overall costs. Did the axle you bought come with the hubs and brakes too or was that extra.

I wouldn't mind $300 would be fair with me to do the whole job. Cheap insurance, because my stops are way to soft now.

Here is a pic of where I whacked the axle and knocked it out of alignment. That axle was square once!
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And here is how to get rid of those nasty zig zaggy tread lines on a new tire in 3 hours of driving by turning them into racing slicks:
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not geared right, passenger car, too light, wheel base is weak... yeah yeha yeah

lets look at the big picture here, The cars a weak, light peice of ****. Even when new. Its a cheap disposable car that wasnt ment to last more than 5 years.

you want to tow it with a car, get yourself a continental or a crown vic or a caprice.


That's really interesting BigB. I guess I have to get rid of my wife's car now, since it's nine years old., and according to you a "weak, light pos...." I don't know where you are coming from but I have seen plenty of GM cars go 250,000 plus. Mine's a theft recovery a GM tech bud rebuilt and I got at 60k, and it'll go about 100k more with ease.

I agree front wheel drive unibody cars are not the ideal thing to tow HEAVY loads, but there are a lot more of those cars on the road anymore than not.
 

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i've really got to wonder about this towing issue with cars.
as others have said, the issue is more with stopping then starting and moving.

once you get the trailer rolling, it will easily roll, unless your trailer wheels are faulty and don't roll smoothly. if you have the trailer unhitched, can you move it by hand? shouldn't be too hard. i know from experience it isn't too hard to push a 4000lb forklift by hand when its battery dies, and thats just one 200lb person pushing. a car engine is several hundred times stronger then a person, and the weights are a lot closer together unless the boat is huge. a trailer rolls, its not like your trying to pull a stump out of the ground.

a car engine does have to pull the cars weight, but think about it this way, how much force is it putting out when you slam on the gas compared to a slow gentle acceleration. if you slam on the gas, the engine will put out much, much, much more force in order to get the weight rolling faster sooner. thus showing that an engine can put out a lot of force if needed. if towing a trailer, it would need that force as well, but you would simply have to use gentle starts to get it moving to put less strain on the driveline and other components.

as for the rated towing capacities, those numbers don't mean the vehicle can't tow more then that without problem. the rated numbers of most things aren't the actual limits of the object. its just the recommended 'safe' limit. by law the numbers are required to give leeway. like in an elevator, have you ever added up everybody's weight to make sure everything is below the capacity? an elevators capacity rating is often 25-50% below what it can actually carry to take this into account.

i think the issues are brakes and being able to stop the boat (as others have said) but also weight distribution and shocks. a front wheel drive car will have a lot of weight on the rear when towing a trailer and thus the front wheels will be more likely to slip when accelerating. as for braking, that extra weight pushing to the front and on the front wheels will keep the brakes from locking up and more likely cause them to overheat due to the friction of braking. overheated brakes can result in the brake fluid getting hot and expanding and the excess fluid going into the brake fluid reservoir and then there being less fluid in the lines when you try to stop thus you'll have far reduced braking ability. easily to the point of having to have the brake peddle floored to just to have minor stopping force.



of course, just because i think all of the above doesn't mean i'm going to get a hitch for my 95 buick century and try towing my boat with it :p
 
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