Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

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Well I just put a deposit on a 1989 Lowe 1620v w/25hp Evinrude and I'm second guessing that my 2005 Pontiac Grand Prix will be able to tow and launch it. Does anyone know the weight of the 1989 Lowe 1620v? I can't seem to find out anything about it online.

Please reply and let me know if this can be done with my car. It has a drawtite hitch that can tow 2000 pounds but I don't know if my car will handle the load or not.
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Squid Billy

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

Gand Prix ... small 6 cylinder, My guess is no. I had one and it was to gutless in my opinion. You will probably have troubles on launching and going up any hills. It might work, but your transmission is going to pay for it in the long run.

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

A little research shows that the car has a max towing capacity of 1000 lb. You'll be pushing that limit, even if your boat has minimum junk in it.

NADA shows the weight of the boat, without motor and trailer, to be 620 lb. You're going to be over the towing limit with the trailer and outboard. Never mind the fuel, tackle, etc.

Your hitch says a maximum of 2000 lb., but the limit is less than that, depending on the vehicle it's attached to. You'll be straining the transmission and clutch, if standard transmission.
 

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

My guess is that your Pontiac would die an early death. Rated for 1,000# it shouldn't try over 700#.

Figure that boat, ready to launch, at about 1000-1200#, including trailer.

V6 has nothing to do with it. It is a FWD unibody passenger car geared for max mpg. Definitely not a tow vehicle.
 

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NO!NO!No! The hitch for a GP mounts to the bumper under the bumper cover and then bolts throught the floor of the trunk through the drain hole. The bumper has no inherent strengh and is designed to collapse and absorb a hit. Worse the bottom of the trunk is simply a stamped sheet no thicker than a fender, and with no structural rigidity, and the hitch mounting bolt uses a large washer to center it in the 2 inch drain hole that you take a rubber plug out of. . The 1000 pound rating is too high, hard acceleration creates the real possiblity that you may seperate the rear of the unibody chassis, while severe braking may crumple the rear of the car or simply tear the hitch off the bumper or the bumper off the car and will rip out the trunk. Don't pull anything with this car, it wa not made for trailer towing.
 

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

I'm not sure I buy the early death thing. The bigger question is not "can my car tow it?" but rather "can my car stop it?"

Safety aside, here is some strictly anecdotal evidence on the issue of driveline and unibody strength. As usual, your mileage may vary. First driveline.

I have a friend who was an engineer for one of the big three automakers for a number of years. Every year they would have an annual test session where they would take a random passenger vehicle or minivan (no pickups or big suvs) off the line, drive it down to Death Valley, outfit it with all sorts of sensors, and then hitch it to special flatbed trailer loaded with 10,000 pounds of sand. Then they would take it to their favourite 10 mile / 2000 vertical foot elevation climb and there, in 110 degree heat they'd stand on the gas and not let up til they reached the top. Then they'd do it again, and again, and again, and again...for a week straight. It was exhausting he said. He couldn't even use the cruise control because they wouldn't stay engaged at WOT. The official objective was to study the heat dissapation of oil and coolant using a variety of cooler designs but really what the guys down there hoped to do was to break the engine or transmission -- preferably both. They never did. Oh they blew some hoses and pretty good but the basic drivetrains were just fine. And these were regular production vehicles without towing packages.

Point is, I think today's vehicles could probably regularly pull many, many times their rated towing weight without undue harm to the driveline.

Now, unibody strength AND driveline...

Myself I will admit to pulling three times the rated load up steep launch ramps with my Honda CRV many times a year for over ten years. Then for good measure, I haul the boat several miles along a bumpy, hilly, pothole riddled private road to it's storage spot where it sits when we're not at the lake. The vehicle still runs flawlessly with over a quarter million kilometers on it. Original clutch too. The hitch is attached just as maflar outlines - with bolts through the pan under floor because there simply isn't a frame to tie into. There is zero sign of flexing, rippling, or any other damage. (I did upgrade the ball to a 5000 lb rating). Now, luckily I don't need to do this towing on public roads but I believe it backs up my argument that, at least with a quality vehicle, the tow rating is probably way understated from strictly "break the vehicle" point of view. Thankfully I now have a tractor to do all this launching and retrieving at the lake and soon I'll probably just install a marine railway so I don't even need the vehicle.

My humble opinion is if your vehicle is rated to tow a thousand, you can probably handle the thousand...
 
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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

My guess is that your Pontiac would die an early death. Rated for 1,000# it shouldn't try over 700#.

Figure that boat, ready to launch, at about 1000-1200#, including trailer.

V6 has nothing to do with it. It is a FWD unibody passenger car geared for max mpg. Definitely not a tow vehicle.

Yes you are right, but with it being a V6 in a passenger car, the transmission is not geared for it. If it were geared for it, it would hold up. The vehicle itself is not a good choice.
 

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

I'm not sure I buy the early death thing. The bigger question is not "can my car tow it?" but rather "can my car stop it?"

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! In automotive school, the thing drummed into our heads over and over and over again, was if you can't make it stop, you'd damned sure better worry about that, before you start thinking about making it go.

'Stop' is 1000 times more important than 'Go' could ever hope to be. When towing, that importance is exponentially increased.
 

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Sigh....

Another thread where important questions are not asked.

How far do you have to tow; and how often?

Are there any hills?

Basically good smooth roads?

When I got back into boating a couple of years ago; I had a 2000 lb. boat (probably a bit more than that...) and a Toyota Camry V6. That's what I had so I put a hitch on it and gave it a try. Things went OK...but I had trouble getting over a 3500' mountain pass that was on the way to my lake of preference. I chose a longer route which avoided the pass.

My feeling would be that your car will do fine if you take it easy and don't drive too far or too often.

As for the stopping question (as well as general handling...); you'll get a feeling for that within the first few miles. Obviously; if you feel unsafe; park it and buy a truck.

Good luck, Chuck
 
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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

Well I'd only be towing this boat less than 15 miles on paved, flat roads with this setup. I definatley wouldn't be going across the country with this tow set up. The ramp where I'd be launching is paved and has a very gradual grade to it. Not steep at all.

I'm not a big truck or suv guy. Any suggestions on an older year car that would better suit my towing needs? Something I can pick up for less than a couple thousand that I could use to tow this boat anywhere I wanted.
 

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It will be able to do it. We towed my boat with the same basic car, 2000 Buick Regal. I would imagine your boat would be a bit lighter than mine. The stopping power wasn't the greatest though I didn't feel unsafe and it was hard on the transmission. I'd recommend putting it in 3 as much as possible. We had troubles on the ramp though. Our ramp wasn't a great one and we had trouble backing the trailer in far enough for easy launch/retrieval without backing the car into the water further than I felt comfortable doing. On one particular bad day on the ramp I exclaimed to my wife "this is bullsh!t, we need a truck!" I was also not a truck or SUV guy. Never had one in my life. We found a good older chevy full size and it's been wonderful to have, not just for the boat but for lots of other household hauling chores. We don't drive it very much but we're very glad to have it.
 

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I have towed with a 1982 2.8 Chev Camaro, 1989 Ford Bronco, 1996,2000,2004 Honda Civics and now 2005 Honda Pilot. As long as you know the limitations of your tow vehicle you can tow safely. The only time I have felt the least bit worried was when pulling a 4X8 small box trailer with my 2000 Civic across the country during winter. The only real issue was in the praries where I had to negotiate 800 KM of black ice. :eek: It wouldn't have been any easier without the trailer.
 

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I'm not a big pickup guy either, but I didn't want to ruin a car to tow a boat so I figured since the gas is going up, up, up, were I live EVERYONE is selling them dirt cheap. I bought one for $1,500.00. Very nice 1990 F-150 long bed with a 4.9L inline six and a 5 speed manual transmission. It had a new motor with about 20,000 miles on it and a new clutch just installed (I have the receipts ). The only things I did to it was reupholster the front seat $150.00 and front rotors $ 62.00 (for the pair) and rebuild kits for the front calipers $30.00 (for the pair) and 4 shocks $120.00 ... registration $131.00 grand total ... $1993.00

Now I have a truck JUST for the boat and home depot runs, all for under $2,000.00.

My Car .... LOVES ME! :D
 

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Re: Will my car be able to tow this boat??? Please help...

I'm not sure why you asked the question - because after you got a few responses recommending against this - you seemed to come up with your own logic on why it is okay to tow with this vehicle. Normal towing capacity is rarely limited by the drive train. Twenty five - thirty years ago lots of folks towed with six cylinder engines. Today the greatest limitation is chasis construction and stopping capability. The scary thing is that you live in my neighbourhood and I may meet you on the road. Try the forum in the Ontario Quebec Grand Prix Club web sit and get the advice of some folks who are knowledgeable on Grand Prixs.
 

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I think your Lowe is aluminum, correct. I tow my aluminum 14 Lund (40 hp 4 stroke) with a 2001 Saab 9-5 with 100k on it. Have had no issues. It's a 4 cyl and I've gone up mountain roads with ease.

I do allow for extra braking room. It's an automatic, so I use the middle gear when going up hills and for braking down long hills.

The only thing I'd be concerned about is how your hitch is mounted as a poster above has mentioned.

Mine was put on by U-Haul and is specific for my model. It bolts to the under frame.

From what has been said already, I'd just swing by a Pontiac dealer and get their opinion.

What you don't want to see is your rig pass you :eek: when you're coming to a quick stop :D
 
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I'm really not talking myself into doing using my GP to tow, I'm just trying to weigh my options. I seem to be getting mixed reviews from post to post. I'm totally stuck in the middle on this.

I basically don't want a truck or SUV. I would buy possibly a mini van or a larger, more sturdy car to tow with. What type of older car or older mini van would do the tow job sufficiently?? I'm looking to tow about 1000 lbs give or take 150lbs.
 

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I tow my 1969 15' Glasspar with my '99 Grand Prix GT. It does have the 3800 engine, not the 3.1 base engine.

I guesstimate the boat at about 1500lbs, but I plan to weigh the rig at a local sand and gravel place. I have a Draw Tite hitch. I have towed it from Savannah up through western Tennesee, the Smokies, the Appalachians, and Down to the west coast of Florida, with my wife, two small kids and our luggage.

I keep an eye on the engine temp which will rise with trans temp, and like towing any trailer keep a safe distance back from other cars. I have inspected the hitch regularly and look for any signs of metal fatigue, there are none. The FWD with traction control pulls her right up slippery tidal ramps with no effort that would have my V8 powered S10 spinning.

I would think that aluminum boat you are considering would be just fine behind the car you have.

The thing is, I don't see the point in nor can I afford to buy a larger vehicle just to tow the boat. When we go places, it's the whole family. 90% of the car's use is my wife going to her work and toting the kids around, not towing, so I use the GP when we do want to tow. Gets 27-28 mpg on the highway and 17-18 towing.

YEAH I know I am probably exceeding GM's tow rating. Keep in mind, they made that conservative to keep the legal department happy and avoid lawsuits.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u248/EricR_bucket/1969 Glasspar runabout/69boat99car.jpg
 

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If it were me,I would have limit the size of boat to a 14 footer.I used to pull one with a 1990 cavalier,without any problems or harm to the transmission.A bigger boat than that adds more wind resistance,so you really are pushing it on the choice of a 16 footer.
 

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not geared right, passenger car, too light, wheel base is weak... yeah yeha yeah

lets look at the big picture here, The cars a weak, light peice of ****. Even when new. Its a cheap disposable car that wasnt ment to last more than 5 years.

you want to tow it with a car, get yourself a continental or a crown vic or a caprice.
 

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Well, I'll add my 2 cents, as I think your car can do the job if everything is
tuned right. Meaning, I'd recommend your engine be tuned to perform at its
best, and the transmission fluid and filter are changed, and a cooler installed.
Good tires and good shocks, like Sensatrac, will help overall for control.

Whenever you are working with a marginal situation, everything should be
working at its optimum best.

Good luck!
 
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