Wildly surging RPMs

PunchyTurtle

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This is a 2005 50ELPTEFI.

It previously had been running fine but suddenly began having this surging RPMs issue. The video shows the issue pretty well.

The engine will run as normal and suddenly begin doing the surging at idle. Throttling up and getting up to speed causes the surging to stop. During throttling up, the surging continues until the engine reaches a medium RPM (I didn't specifically note a particular RPM) after which it flattens out and runs as-normal.

After throttling back down to idle, the issue will randomly occur after some time (either immediately or after minutes of idle time, though almost always after minutes of run time). The surging has never happened past about 3/4 throttle.

Also, before this surging began happening, the motor began dumping fuel out of the VST overflow after coming off plane two separate times. After we increased RPMs to maybe 1/4 throttle, the issue stopped. After some high-idle run time (we had to make it back to the ramp) nothing came out of the VST overflow after two times of idling for about 5 minutes after nearly full-throttle. This is what is really throwing me for a loop, because how can there be an excess of fuel in the VST while also clearly having starvation.

So far, I dug into the low-P fuel pump and found it to be quite corroded, and replaced it as a precaution, though I doubted it to be the issue or even contributing.

My immediate thought is this a fuel delivery issue. I have a pressure gauge that I will use to measure pressure on the VST later and will update.

I figured because this is a pretty unique set of symptoms, someone might have the golden ticket on what is going on and save me some headache on diag. Thanks ya'll!!
 

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alldodge

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dumping fuel out of the VST overflow after coming off plane two separate times.
Right now I would take the VST apart, clean and adjust. With the VST overflow means the float is not shutting off or restricting the fuel coming in

What is your serial number?
 

PunchyTurtle

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Right now I would take the VST apart, clean and adjust. With the VST overflow means the float is not shutting off or restricting the fuel coming in

What is your serial number?
0T991605

I totally forgot that I took apart the VST. It's been a minute and I'm picking this back up after a couple months.

I took apart everything except for the pressure regulator assembly, which I might should do... Float wasn't filled with gas, no pin hole in it as far as I could tell either. There was a little bit of fine material in the strainer on the pump. The float needle seemed to be good, pliable and not damaged after visual inspection.

Again, the weird thing is the overflow issue entirely stopped after the two times it occurred on the same day. I also forgot to mention that the surging issue began that same day when we got to the ramp and brought it to idle.
 

alldodge

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Might have got a spec of crud that stuck briefly in the needle seat

VST
The reg most likely does not come apart, most don't. Check the fuel pressure to see if meets spec. Really need a scanner to see if there are any codes
 
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