Why we need brakes!

Rudderman

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I had a little accident with my boat/trailer/van last week. Its only a small boat, 10 foot on a small trailer with no brakes. <br />I was on a little "by-road" near home and went round a corner only to meet a car coming the other way at speed. I hit the brakes and so did he, but because it was such a narrow road, there was grass growing up the middle of it and when we braked, we just skidded on the grass. The other guy got stopped in time, but the weight of the trailer behind me pushed me on and I hit him (at about 5mph). <br />Cost me around €1000 to fix the damage to my van.(claiming on the insurance isn't an option over here because the insurance companies would instantly triple my next premium)<br /><br />I'm sure that if I had brakes on the trailer I could have stopped in time.<br /><br />Or maybe I should just slow down? :D
 

JB

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Thanks for the testimonial, Rudderman.<br /><br />It is amazing how little weight it takes back there to upset stability in hard braking.<br /><br />Glad there wasn't more damage.
 

Boomyal

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Ouch! Maybe some of both Rudderman. Sounds like you did not damage his rig. That sure would have made it worse.
 

jtexas

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Re: Why we need brakes!

It's a question of risk vs. cost; we all make decisions like that every day without even realizing it. For example, when I get in my car every morning knowing that it doesn't have side curtain airbags, I'm deciding to take on the added risk rather than spend the money on a new vehicle.<br /><br />You sustained 1000 pounds of damage over how many miles of travel? How much do trailer brakes cost? What's the probability of this ever happening again? You probably are within the capacity of the equipment. Brakes would be a luxury in my case, but only you can make that decision for yourself.
 

imported_JD__

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Re: Why we need brakes!

A little twist on "needing" brakes.<br />A couple weeks ago I was heading for my favorite lake towing my 2003 Tracker Avalanche with galvanized trailer. I have to cross a single railroad track about 3 miles from home. As I crossed the track slowing down for the traffic light ahead I heard a loud, metallic BANG! All hell broke loose. Looking in the rear-view mirror, I saw the boat and trailer leave the ground on the right side and hop about 2 feet in the air. I was only going around 15 MPH and could have coasted to the light but instinctively I slammed on the brakes. Wrong. <br /><br />After I got it stopped and off the road I immediately went back to see what had happened. All three leaves on the right side broke in half up through the center bolt. When the main leaf broke, (the one that is attached by hangers), the forward portion of the rear half pivoted down, dug in the asphalt and pole vaulted the rig in the air about two feet then came back down, (the second bang). When I slammed on the brakes my very functional disk, surge brakes on the trailer did their thing and stopped the trailer wheel from turning. Since the right side of the axle was no longer attached by anything other than the hydraulic brake line, the right side of the axle and wheel ended up about one foot further rearward from where it was, (the third bang). Get this. I had just installed two new, good quality 6-ply radials two weeks prior and decided against the road hazard warranty. It gets better/worse. The tire rammed into the fender as the axle went rearward and tried to take the fender with it. The crumpled fender cut a big gash across the tread (fatal). The tire, wheel and fender ended up where the front portion of the rear step/running board was and the top of the fender was resting solidly against the hull. I had towing insurance, called 3 towing services, all had roll-backs but none with truck beds over 8' wide. My trailer is almost 10'wide. <br /><br />Three & one-half hours have now passed. Called home, wife must have gone shopping. I unhooked the trailer and went home, got two chains, floor jack, load binder and hand tools. I came back, removed the fender and saw an impression in the boat where the top of fender was resting, started feeling sick. I jacked up the trailer, installed the spare and easily rolled the tire, moving the axle back into position. I chained the axle forward to the frame and rearward with the load-binder then limped home. <br /><br />The Ins. adjuster came out the next day. Afterwards I temporarily beat out the fender and running board, fixed the brake line and installed new springs on both sides, etc. After 3 days of messing with this thing I headed out again. Got to the lake with no problems, thank God. Turned on my 2-year old Lowrance LCX 15-MT, which seemed slow starting up. After the splash screen I get "GPS module not responding". I didn't thank God.<br /><br />Everything's fixed except the dent in my boat (waiting for an appointment). Erie INS. gave me a fair settlement and Lowrance was wonderful. They cross-shipped a replacement head unit and receiver out the same day I called, at a very reasonable exchange price.<br />Hope you don't mind the lengthy post. Thought some of you could relate and/or maybe see some humor in my ordeal. <br />JD
 

NYMINUTE

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Good post JD_ We sometime take for granted our trailers are fine as long as the wheel bearings are cool and the tires are inflated.
 

cajun555

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Re: Why we need brakes!

I don't know what other state requirements are but in TX., trailer brakes are only required if total weight of boat and trailer are 4500 lbs. or more. Thats scary when you see a 3500 pound tow vehicle towing 4000 rig and they have to try and stop real quick.
 

rwidman

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Re: Why we need brakes!

How do you know if your brakes are actually working? <br /><br />Get an IR non-contact thermometer from Sears or your favorite vendor for about $50.00. Drive a few miles (using the brakes when appropriate) and stop (out of traffic). If your brakes are working the drums or disks will be pretty hot, 150 degrees or so. If one side is much hotter than the other they need adjustment or service. If they are only a few degrees higher than the ambient temperature they are not working.
 

Stumpknocker

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Although my boat is small and I don't have trailer brakes, I usually tow slowly and very cautiously due to the above possiblities. I rarely tow past 55 or so open highways. I also keep a very healthy distance between me and the next guy. By traveling slowly most folks don't bother cutting me off or driving up my exhaust.
 

BinLurkin

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Re: Why we need brakes!

The only time I ever knew they were working was during a panic stop. I looked in the rear view mirror & saw smoke coming off the trailer tires. That's the only time I was ever sure they worked.
 

JustMrWill

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Re: Why we need brakes!

I am always amazed at the idiots in compact cars that cut me off driving a Dodge Ram 1500 towing a 21' Cuddy (prob about 10k lbs total). Even with trailer brakes...stopping on a dime is NOT gonna happen. I guess that until you actually drive a big truck towing alot of weight, it doesn't occur to you how much room they need to stop.<br /><br />-JustMrWill
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Why we need brakes!

from rwidman
[bold] If your brakes are working the drums or disks will be pretty hot, 150 degrees or so.[/bold]
Then back the trailer into the water and get an immediate 100 degree temperature drop, and ask yourself why trailer bearings fail so often!<br /><br />Any air pockets in the grease in the bearing housing will contract like crazy, and try and suck in whatever's nearest to fill the space.<br /><br />Result? An emulsion of grease and dirty water, and a groaning bearing. Unless, of course, you have BB's ...
 

Triton II

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Re: Why we need brakes!

I've got cable operated surge type brakes on a single axle galvanised trailer. The only problem is the hand brake system which consists of a piece of gal about 8 inches long pivoted at one end. The other end is sharp and engages a serrated block on top of the tow arm just behind the hitch. The problem is the thing bounces around and sometimes rotates right over and starts to engage on the serrations. The harder I brake, the more the things hooks up. I've actually seen smoke pouring off the wheels... after this episode I tightened up the pivot nut and bolt and presto... no more problems. D'Oh! However, my question is: Should I repack the bearings which have bbs fitted and rebuild the brakes? It should be bourne in mind I felt a retardation, looked in the mirrors and noticed the smoking brakes straight away.
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Triton, drum or disc?<br /><br />I am involved in the brake shoes/pads wholesale industry - the only brake material available in Australia (apart from racing materials) that will recover from a smokey overheat are Bendix Metalking Plus disc pads, anything else is toast.<br /><br />Have a good look at them, if they are glazed or cracked throw them in the bin, they have lost their ability to transfer heat effectively.<br /><br />With the handbrake pivot nut - fit a compression spring to the nut/bolt - it'll never creep again.<br /><br />Aldo
 

Triton II

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Aldo,<br /><br />Disc... how can I tell which brand of pads they are? Thanks for the compression spring tip... I'll do it tonight.
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Why we need brakes!

It'll be printed on the back of the pad, unfortunately thats the first thing that fades with heat and time. Metal kings have tiny metal particles in the material giving it a 'sparkly' appearance. <br /><br />Look for cracks & a shiny glaze, that'll tell you if they are o/k or junk.<br /><br />By the way, I don't recommend metal kings for boat trailers, the metal particles don't like constant water immersion (they were originally designed for highway pursuit vehicles).<br /><br />Aldo
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Aldo,<br /><br />If the pads take on a shine, what's the downside of sanding the shine off and putting them back?<br /><br />Ciao
 

trollhole

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Originally posted by JD__:<br /> Turned on my 2-year old Lowrance LCX 15-MT, which seemed slow starting up. After the splash screen I get "GPS module not responding". I didn't thank God.<br /><br />JD
I don't think Lowrance made there GPS module very shock resistant. I'm on my 3rd.
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Stillfishin, it depends on the pad material. High performance pads are designed to heat up and recover, the pads we buy from wallyworld are not. <br /><br />Some heat is needed to set of a reaction which is the final bonding process but to much heat (glowing rotors!!) changes the composition of the material and it don't change back. The pad now has reduced ability to tranfer heat - deglazing it is purely cosmetic, it may stop squealing but it won't improve the pads abiltity to convert energy to heat. Cracks are the number one telltale, glazing is a close second. Same goes for the rotor - unmachinable hot spots make the rotor junk.<br /><br />I did my apprenticeship (many moons ago) in a wholesale brake supplier and we did a lot of R&D for the police force. Many a time we would have the front pads on fire on their highway pursuit vehicles (being an apprentice I was the official extinquiser handler and bearing replacer). Most racing materials would recover, all of the 'run of the mill' pads on the market would not - except for Bendix Metal Kings. Its made by an Aussie company but I'm sure you guys would have similar pads available, I just don't know what they are :( .<br /><br />Aldo
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Why we need brakes!

Thanks Aldo<br /><br />And don't tell me - Bendix Metal Kings are twice the price and last half as long, right?<br /><br />And they stop you in half th distance, giving the guy behind twice as long to ram you up the ....<br /><br />Ciao
 
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