Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

POINTER94

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I have been told, especially in boats that displacement is key. With that said why are we not seeing more, or any, of the Dodge Hemi's in the marine world. They have the greatest displacement, have good weight to hp ratio's, and from all accounts they are pretty good engines, (allbeit hooked frequently to weak tranny's)and there is a history with Mopar in the marine industry. Why are they not even a factor in this market?<br /><br />Just some thoughts?
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Good questions.I would'nt mind having one in a little rocket boat.Just saying i got a hemi in my boat would be cool :D
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Imagine pullin up to the dock and having someone ask you "you got a hemi in there?"
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

There smart enough NOT to go into a MONEY loseing deal ? :) <br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by tommays:<br /> Thre smart enough NOT to go into a MONEY loseing deal ? :) <br /><br /><br />tommays
Since when???????? ;) ;) :D :p :p <br /><br />Git closer, I smell a HEMI.....
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

They played with the V-10. It'll never make production. They're too GM oriented.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Someone say V-10?<br />How about a 500 HP V-10 Motorcycle?<br />
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<br />0-60 mph: 2.5 seconds<br />(Some estimate 1.9)<br />Top Speed: 300+ mph :eek:
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by POINTER94:<br />They have the greatest displacement
Says who? GM already has the market covered with the 4.3L, 5.0L, 5.7L, 6.0L, and 8.1L. Whatever displacement you want, they got it. "Hemi" isn't anything special in 2006, except a marketing term. Dodge has some of the worst gas mileage and their HP is about the same as everybody else.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

sweet<br /> :) :cool: :) :cool: :) :cool:
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

I thought the Viper V-10 was/is a high performance option of the higher end (ones I can only dream about)boats.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by SBN:<br /> Someone say V-10?<br />How about a 500 HP V-10 Motorcycle?<br />
7114202716.jpg
<br />0-60 mph: 2.5 seconds<br />(Some estimate 1.9)<br />Top Speed: 300+ mph :eek:
Now that is a crotch rocket if I ever saw one! :eek: :eek:
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

The hemi in my truck makes 345 horse and 375 lbs of torque. I agree that dodge is overhyping the hemi, but let's not sell it short just because you don't like dodge.<br /><br />The chevy 5.3 makes 295/330 and the 6.0 makes 300/360. How do you figure that stacks up to the hemi?
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

RF, I was not going to say anything to that comment cause it will just start a shouting war for sure.<br />I know what my Hemi has and does, I don't need to prove it to anyone.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Does a 625 bhp marine engine count?<br /><br /> Ilmor 625
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> The hemi in my truck makes 345 horse and 375 lbs of torque. I agree that dodge is overhyping the hemi, but let's not sell it short just because you don't like dodge.<br /><br />The chevy 5.3 makes 295/330 and the 6.0 makes 300/360. How do you figure that stacks up to the hemi?
The GM marine 6.0L is 350hp/391 ft lbs...and you don't see them screaming "VORTEC, VORTEC, VORTEC" on all the commercials. Specs here The HP your Dodge makes is respectable, but it has little to do with the fact that it's a "hemi". The 5.3L is 310hp/335ft lbs and gets way better mileage than a hemi could ever dream of.<br /><br />And since this thread is about displacement, the 8.1L marine engine is 420hp/505ft lbs.<br /><br />I am not a GM fan. I own Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler products. Even a GM hater has to agree that they have the marine engine market covered very well. Chrysler would have a very difficult time taking any of their market share away, especially with the horrible horrible reputation Chrysler outboards have.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />The GM marine 6.0L is 350hp/391 ft lbs...and you don't see them screaming "VORTEC, VORTEC, VORTEC" on all the commercials.
Are we comparing marine engines to street engines?<br /><br />The HP your Dodge makes is respectable, but it has little to do with the fact that it's a "hemi". <br />I agree 100%. I did admit that the "hemi" was over hyped.<br /><br /> The 5.3L is 310hp/335ft lbs and gets way better mileage than a hemi could ever dream of. <br />My wife brags about mileage. Are we talking about mileage or power? Cuz I could probably scare up an old datsun b-210 if you want good mileage...<br /><br />I am not a GM fan. I own Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler products. <br />Same here and I've loved every one.<br /><br /> Even a GM hater has to agree that they have the marine engine market covered very well. <br />Agreed.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

There used to be (in my mind anyway) a Chrysler boat factory in Plano Texas. Not sure if I am remembering this corectly or not. My Dad's cabin cruiser is powered by 2 crysler V-8's not sure of the discplacement. I seem to recall Chrysler marine engines getting built into hot rods.<br />As a disclaimer anything I recall prior to 1983 is of doubtful utility.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />Are we comparing marine engines to street engines?
The street 6.0L is 345hp/380ft lbs...still more than Dodge. ;) <br /><br />
Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />My wife brags about mileage. Are we talking about mileage or power? Cuz I could probably scare up an old datsun b-210 if you want good mileage...
As rated by the EPA, dodge has the worst mileage for V8 pickups.
 

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Re: Why no Chryslers in the marine world anymore?

Come on guys,<br /><br />This has more to do with history than anything. Chrysler had a huge market share of the marine market especially in the inboard market. The 318 and the 360 were frequently found in Chris Crafts, Owens, Bertrams and they had a reputation as solid, easy to maintainance, and dependable. Heck the current crop of Mopar engins are still solid performers regardless of how you want to document who is better where.<br /><br />And now with their very sucessful introduction of the HEMI, regardless of their efficiency in a car or truck, would by extension make an interesting marketing program for any boat manufacturer. Yes I know that Mercury has a well documented relationship with GM and I believe they manufactured the Corvette engine for several years, but someone like Volvo/Penta (assuming that they may even share a relationship with Ford as ford owns volvo) or with Yamaha re-entering the IO market it would create an interesting product differentiation opportunity. The marketing campaign is idealy set up for inboard or V-drive boats such as ski boats or the throwback runabouts coming out from Regal and Chris-Craft. As these boats wouldn't need an outdrive. In addition the inboard market may benefit from Chrysler and their relationships with Cummins and Mercedes Benz in the diesel market. And yes I know that Cummins is a very strong player in the marine diesel market.<br /><br />My basic question is why in the current market, which is far larger than the market that supported Ford, Chrysler and GM back in the 60's and 70's, is there no room for more than one engine manfacturer who doesn't even put most of their engines in their current crop of autos. <br /><br />(The 5.7 and the 4.3 which are by far the most popular marine engines, are not found in any of their current trucks)<br /><br />I enjoy the unique competition that exists between racing teams and the unique identity that can emerge with competition. Chrysler is the obvious choice with their history not only in the inboard market but in the outboard market and the boat building business which they were forced to give up during the government bailout in the 80's.
 
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