What truck to buy?

hocus de la pocus

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Dec 8, 2003
Messages
33
Re: What truck to buy?

Klicknative;

Yes, I'd like a newer sub, but its the cost! I'd rather have a better equipped towing deal than a loaded burban. Besides It was given to me as a gift. I could never afforded it at the time anyway, just fell from the sky. (thanks Dad!)

If I could find something without major problems I'd get it. I think it matter s more what the cost is over what truck it is, just as long its inside the "improved towing" threshold over the current one and does reasonably well on fuel.

SO, GM ok, ford OK, Dodge- NO WAY. I've been burned on Chrysler products a couple of times before.
 

RCSConstruction

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Mar 23, 2007
Messages
549
Re: What truck to buy?

Klicknative;

Dodge- NO WAY. I've been burned on Chrysler products a couple of times before.

What? You don't want a Hemi?.... hehehe You couldn't give me a dodge.(Damn Old Dirty Gas Eater)
Take a look at some 96 and up chevy's you will be pleasantly surprised on how well they perform. It's night and day between a non-vortec and vortec.
 

hocus de la pocus

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Dec 8, 2003
Messages
33
Re: What truck to buy?

Yes, I agree!

I had a 1978 Chrysler New yorker brogham! We Called it the anti-chrysler!!!! It was maroon with corinthian leather, tilt-o-scopic steering and an 8-track! It was topped off with the opera window and real wheel skirts!!!

The front bumper was low so whenever I parked it hit- I used to yell "LAND HO!!!!" What a boat.


Man, grandpa had bad taste!
 

LTP

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Jun 30, 2007
Messages
48
Re: What truck to buy?

I can vouch on the Ford V-10, it pulls like a charm, i've hauled some pretty heavy trailers and its like nothing is back there, and with as little as your towing the gas mileage won't be affected almost all, at least thats what i've observed, but oh course at least with mine your only going to get somewhere between 9-12 MPG depending on your driving style. As for the ford diesels unfortunately they haven't been great here lately, to many failures, i would wait and see though because the new one they rolled out for '08 is suppose to be pretty good but i could be wrong.
 

LTP

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Jun 30, 2007
Messages
48
Re: What truck to buy?

one other thing, i've noticed that some ppl say don't buy fords, don't buy chevy's, don't buy dodges,
sometimes its just the luck of the draw, i've been burned on chevy's and other ppl have been burned on fords, go with what you like and has what you need and the ammenities you want and can afford, but just make sure that you check up on that specific model and makes past as sometimes they hold clues to how long it will last, what normally breaks etc
 

klicknative

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Aug 9, 2006
Messages
96
Re: What truck to buy?

Houcus, I'm with RSG that you'll get more snort with a '96 up Vortec 350 over your TPI. Something else to consider, if your current rig's body and interior are in good shape, having the engine and transmisson rebuilt. I'd only go that way if you have a good mechanic you trust to do it or refer you to somebody that will take a job like that. I think it may be cost efective, Chevies are about the cheapest thing there is to buy parts for. However, like I said go that route only if you know the shop doing the work and they'll stand behind it. If the old burb is showing her age and you defently want to replace it, then I think you can't go wrong with a '96 up Suburban or a short box/crew cab Chevy pickup. Whatever you buy, have YOUR mechanic look it over before any money changes hands. If the seller isn't willing to do that, run. Good luck and I hope you find another keeper.
 

Fl_Richard

Lieutenant
Joined
Jan 21, 2005
Messages
1,428
Re: What truck to buy?

At what point do these posts die? This thread ran 12 months between replies.
 

Fl_Richard

Lieutenant
Joined
Jan 21, 2005
Messages
1,428
Re: What truck to buy?

My BAD!!

Read someones Join Date :)


Whatever you get... Buy American :)
 

reelfishin

Captain
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Messages
3,047
Re: What truck to buy?

I personally look for my vehicles by whether or not they will do the job at hand, are cheap enough to own and still get out from under without losing money when I am done with them, and fuel mileage.
I bought two 4 cylinder Ford rangers last year for $900, both are 5 spd with air long bed trucks. One has a 3.73 rear, the other a 2.31 rear. The 2.31 geared truck has trouble maintaining 45 mile per hour with a bass boat behind it, the other one can pull just about anything. I also have a one ton 1996 Dodge van, that has a 3.55 rear, and a 5.2L (318CI) engine. It can tow more weight but it gets about 10 miles per gallon and has traction issues on the ramp due to a lack of rear wheel weight. It does fine on the highway, but is not the vehicle of choice to launch a boat. My other van is a 1991 Ford Econoline E150 Conversion with a 5.0L, overdrive automatic trans and a 3.55:1 rear ratio, that does the best out of all three, it's good on the highway, had good traction on slippery ramps and gets around 13 miles per gallon. It can handle the least in tongue weight though. On the other hand, the Rangers both get well over 20 miles per gallon, can handle tongue weight and have no problems with traction. If I had to go out and buy a new truck tomorrow, I'd most likely buy a 3.0L manual trans Ford Ranger, I'd expect around 18 to 22 MPG and it would be able to tow anything I have here in the way of boats and small trailers. The 2.3L in my 94 is fine but it could stand a bit more power when towing.
There is no way I'd spend the big dollars they want for a full size truck, especially a diesel just tow around a few toys. I agree that diesel is usually cheaper and they make more torque and last longer, but you can buy a lot of gas for that extra money you spent. I looked at a few used F350 diesels lately, the best price I saw for anything that wasn't way over the hill was well over $25k. They want over $18K for one with 150,000 miles that's been well used and abused. I'm sorry but I can't see the sense in it.
I just brought home a boat that I picked up about 80 miles from me, it's on a tandem trailer, weighs in at about 5100 pounds plus the trailer. I picked it up with one of my Rangers, it did just fine, the gas gauge only moved about an eighth of a tank up and back and I had no problem running with no brakes either. The trailer was loaded just about right, no swaying, and the boat was securely attached. I ran mostly back roads, but did run about 30 miles on the highway at around 48 mph. I was already there with that truck, so I couldn't see driving all the way back to get the another truck, I simply took my time and it got the job done. All of my trucks with the exeption of the Dodge have over 100K on them, the Ford Van has over 350K and had a new motor and trans at around 280K.

I have to agree with the driving a tack with a sledge hammer. Most boats don't require a big truck to tow, just some common sense and maybe some towing experience.

I don't fault a vehicle for high mileage, it all depends on how it was treated and what condition it's in. If it's a solid truck, it may be worth doing some rebuilding. On my van, it was up in miles, had a perfect body and interior, and I like the truck, so I had no problem dumping $2000 in it to freshen up the motor, trans and rear. I just added a new set of tires and new old stock aluminum rims as well. It was far cheaper than a new one, they wanted over $30K for the same thing, and I don't care for the newer body style.

Something else to keep in mind if you live near saltwater is the toll that those days it spends sitting by the ramp while you play, saltwater tears up trucks fast. I can't see buying a new truck when it will be just as salt eaten as a used one in a year or two. Brand makes little difference in saltwater, but the american trucks do seem to fair better.

I had one Toyota, I got a deal on it new in '88, fully loaded SR5 Pickup, it towed fine, but that truck cost me every time it broke down, it was always something, and the parts were more than ten times the cost of the same parts on a Ford or Chevy. I got rid of it after only three years when the bed started to rust through, there was huge holes in the bed floor, tailgate, fenders, and cab floor. That truck never saw a saltwater ramp either, back then I was only into bass fishing and towed only a small aluminum boat.
I had 53k on it when I traded it, at that point it had had a new trans, new transfer case, (three times), a motor at 12k, four ball joints, and four radios, three AC compressors, and at least 100 trips back to the dealer. Never again, I traded it for a used Ford that I had for 10 years with no problems.
I was never one to say buy only American, but that truck sure made me change my mind. I wasn't the only one with the same problems, I had two buddies back then that all bought the same trucks, around the same time. They all had similar experiences.
 

hocus de la pocus

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Dec 8, 2003
Messages
33
Re: What truck to buy?

I redid the A/C condensor today and cleaned off the front of the radiator. Surprise surprise, it was 2/3 covered in oily grass and dust from years of use in farm county. Its GOT to run cooler now. JUST GOT TO!

So, now the A/C works and it WILL run cooler towing! YEAH!!!!
 

petrey10

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Jul 1, 2007
Messages
82
Re: What truck to buy?

Tundra? Can you say Non American?
D

It is just as AMerican as Ford and GM....I had a Ford and will not buy another because I just purchased a Tundra and it is the best made truck there is for the money. They do all the little things right and have the best warranties you can get. They come with better tires that GM and Ford every think about getting and with the 5.7 6 speed tranny you will be able to pull A LOT (10000 I believe is the max). The brakes are huge(13 inch something) which will help you stop better than most. The Tundra is actually made in Indiana and you can drive by the plant on your way to Evansville and Owensboro , Ky. The Tundra doublecab is almost bigger than the crewcab of Ford and GMC...and if you go with the Crewmax the rear seat can actually recline and move forward and back. So please think a little before you bash Toyota when you don't know squat about them
 

Fl_Richard

Lieutenant
Joined
Jan 21, 2005
Messages
1,428
Re: What truck to buy?

Not sure if the Tundra is "just as American".... It may be assembled here from global parts but the profit goes overseas.
 

hocus de la pocus

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Dec 8, 2003
Messages
33
Re: What truck to buy?

Scratch the TUNDRA, It is out, out, OUT!

Not, (repeat NOT) because of any johnny flagwaver issues, its just TOO MUCH MONEY!

I CANNOT afford one, End of discussion.

I need like an 02 'Burban with quadrasteer! maybe under 20K (i know, I'm deraming....) Maybe and even cheeper 96-99 'burban with the VORTEC, the right trans, and the correct gears.
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,548
Re: What truck to buy?

I highly reccomend not getting the Suburban in the years 96-99. The newer ones are much improved especially with the brakes. I have owned 3 Suburbans, a 90, a 99 and an 02. The 02 was a huge improvement over the 99. All were 3/4T.
 

Terry Olson

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Aug 20, 2005
Messages
415
Re: What truck to buy?

Not sure if the Tundra is "just as American".... It may be assembled here from global parts but the profit goes overseas.

Just like so-called American cars. Join the rest of us living in the year 2007 - where we live in a global economy. I know the union hype and at one time I was a buy-American guy myself but those days ended the last time I spent more money on an American-made Chevrolet, only to receive an inferior product and inferior service after the sale.

I'll agree that the American manufacturers have closed the quality gap, but they had a lot of ground to make up and only did so after losing market share to the import manufacturers. If there were no imports the big three would still be selling the latest and greatest "designed obsolescence" junk available. Those days are behind us and we have the import manufacturers to thank for that.
 

hocus de la pocus

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Dec 8, 2003
Messages
33
Re: What truck to buy?

Rich,
your comments might be better appreciated over on an imports Vs. American thread. Don't get me wrong, I'll buy what works regardless of origin, just CANNOT swing the bucks for a Tundra- that PLUS we area family of 4 PLUS all the #$%^&*( kids junk. So, there it is.

As for you BruceB: you write:

I highly reccomend not getting the Suburban in the years 96-99. The newer ones are much improved especially with the brakes. I have owned 3 Suburbans, a 90, a 99 and an 02. The 02 was a huge improvement over the 99. All were 3/4T.

My Dad bought us a '79, '85, '92, '94 and lastly himself a '95. I now own the '94 ( he gave it to me once it got over 185,000 miles). They all served us well.

I'm into the WHY an '02 and up will justify the extra cost of a newer one? Is it engine (I need the 7.4 right?) or is it the transmission (better with the newer ones?) or overall what: mileage, quality, power, etc?

I really DO NOT care a hoot in heck about the looks or styling, Its just got get the job done without breaking the bank.
 

scrobo

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Jul 5, 2007
Messages
277
Re: What truck to buy?

Sounds like you need a 3/4 ton double cab with a diesel powertrain and towing package.

I have always been a Ford man but can't recommend the later model Diesel engines.

Chebby/Jimmy has the best transmission and Dodge has the best diesel engine.

Too bad you can't get a F250 with a Cummins diesel engine and an Allison tranny.

I think I would probably go GMC.

So GMC Jimmy is a good choice for tow vehicle? I just purchased a 2000 SLT with the tow package to tow my 14'. Any way I can find out the tow rating?
 

bass buster

Seaman
Joined
May 19, 2007
Messages
65
Re: What truck to buy?

So GMC Jimmy is a good choice for tow vehicle? I just purchased a 2000 SLT with the tow package to tow my 14'. Any way I can find out the tow rating?

Yes, the tow specs should be in the owners manual. If you don't have the manual, look on the tow hitch. On my Chevy Tahoe, which I bought used, all the info is on the hitch. It depends upon what class hitch you have, and what your vehicle will handle.

You won't have any problem towing a 14 footer with a Jimmy. Hook up and go! You'll be fine. :)
 

Blue Water Runner

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Jul 11, 2006
Messages
87
Re: What truck to buy?

I have a 1994 GMC suburban 1500 2wd W/the tow package 5.7 towing a #5500 1971 SLICKCRAFT SS-235.

It DOES NOT tow it well. WAY, WAY, WAY too long to 55 and the transmisssion is starting to leak drops (overpressured) and smell like burned skunk.


What to replace it with?

F250 doublecab? E350 van? GMC 2500 suburban 2wd?????

P.S. I've got 2 kids and wyfe and want something W/ decent mileage yet tow 6-10 times a year.


2000-2003 Excursion or F250 Superduty Crew Cab. 7.3 Powerstroke. Its reliable and will get the job done for years. I have a F350 with the same power plant and it has treated me well.
 
Top