What truck to buy?

hocus de la pocus

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I have a 1994 GMC suburban 1500 2wd W/the tow package 5.7 towing a #5500 1971 SLICKCRAFT SS-235.

It DOES NOT tow it well. WAY, WAY, WAY too long to 55 and the transmisssion is starting to leak drops (overpressured) and smell like burned skunk.


What to replace it with?

F250 doublecab? E350 van? GMC 2500 suburban 2wd?????

P.S. I've got 2 kids and wyfe and want something W/ decent mileage yet tow 6-10 times a year.
 

rndn

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Re: What truck to buy?

I know there are varied opinions, but at 5500# you should consider using something with a diesel engine and an automatic transmission. I know you can get vehicles that are rated to tow your boat and trailer, but diesels are really made for that kind of punishment. Of course the mileage will be much better using a diesel verses a gas engine, but you will pay a premium for anything with a diesel. The diesel will also outlast any gas engine as long as it is well taken care of by the owner.
 

JB

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Sounds like you need a 3/4 ton double cab with a diesel powertrain and towing package.

I have always been a Ford man but can't recommend the later model Diesel engines.

Chebby/Jimmy has the best transmission and Dodge has the best diesel engine.

Too bad you can't get a F250 with a Cummins diesel engine and an Allison tranny.

I think I would probably go GMC.
 

jspringator

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Stay away from the GM 6.5 Turbo Diesel. I tow 9,000 lbs travel trailer with a V-10 Excursion 2WD. It tows my 5,500 lb boat like nothing is back there. You can get DEALS on a V-10 right now. Gas mileage wasn't that much worse than my 90 Suburban 2wd.
 

Silvertip

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Come on folks -- he does not need a diesel powered anything. Any 1/2 ton, heavy half, or 3/4 ton pickup, 2 or 4 wheel drive will tow that rig just fine PROVIDED one selects the proper rear axle ratio and doesn't stick god awful large tire on it which defeats the purpose of the axle gearing. I towed a 6000# travel trailer with a 1/2 ton Chevy van, 305 V8 and 3.73 gears and was never in anyones way. There is absolutely not reason any pickup with a 5.7 or similar sized engine won't do the job and still get respectable mileage. The biggest mistake made when buying a two vehicle is the axle ratio. Most trucks are ordered with stock axles to provide optimum fuel economy. Unfortunately -- that's not always true and deeper gears may actually improve mileage and make a better tow vechicle in the process because the engine is allowed to run somewhat higher revs where it makes more power. On two wheel drive vehicles, it would be very cost effective to simply have the ring and pinion changed to a deeper ratio. On GM vehicles 3.42:1 is a common standard gear ratio. Not exactly suitbable for towing. 3.73:1 and 4.10:1 do a much better job.
 

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Re: What truck to buy?

I agree with Silvertip.
Most newer, full size pick-ups and SUV's equipped with a tow package, should be able to tow a 5500# trailer with no problem.
A diesel engine is not needed for this.

Hocus...all you need is a strong running truck that is road-worthy, and has a solid hitch and frame, properly rated for your rig.
Having 4WD is a nice bonus at those sometimes slippery ramps. :)
 

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Come on folks -- he does not need a diesel powered anything. Any 1/2 ton, heavy half, or 3/4 ton pickup, 2 or 4 wheel drive will tow that rig just fine PROVIDED one selects the proper rear axle ratio and doesn't stick god awful large tire on it which defeats the purpose of the axle gearing. I towed a 6000# travel trailer with a 1/2 ton Chevy van, 305 V8 and 3.73 gears and was never in anyones way. There is absolutely not reason any pickup with a 5.7 or similar sized engine won't do the job and still get respectable mileage. The biggest mistake made when buying a two vehicle is the axle ratio. Most trucks are ordered with stock axles to provide optimum fuel economy. Unfortunately -- that's not always true and deeper gears may actually improve mileage and make a better tow vehicle in the process because the engine is allowed to run somewhat higher revs where it makes more power. On two wheel drive vehicles, it would be very cost effective to simply have the ring and pinion changed to a deeper ratio. On GM vehicles 3.42:1 is a common standard gear ratio. Not exactly suitable for towing. 3.73:1 and 4.10:1 do a much better job.

I'm with Silvertip on this one, there's no need for a 3/4 ton or a diesel with a 5500# trailer load. Any full size truck will work fine with the right gear ratio and proper hitch and weight distribution. I tow a 3500# boat with a 4 cyl. Ford Ranger and it does fine. My old truck was an F150 with the 4.9L 6 cylinder with a 4 speed manual and it towed as much as 7500# with no problems, but I had a set of 4:10 gears. It got over 18 mpg when towing on the open road.
When you spec out a truck, make sure it gets the largest cooling system option, a good trans cooler if it's an auto trans, and no higher than a 3.73:1 rear, (4.10's are even better). mileage won't change much and the OD trans will allow comfortable cruising at highway speeds.

As far a choices, GM has the best two trans options, the Allison 35 and the 4L80E are both super strong towing transmissions. any motor with the exception of the V6's should do fine. I have always been 100% Ford, but I would consider either of the GM trucks with the larger trans options.
In the Ford, there's supposed to be a new Diesel coming for the F150 soon, so that may be an option too. Their larger trans is also pretty tough. Dodge has the best Diesel, but their transmissions aren't up to that of Ford and GM.
I would stay away from the imports, they don't seem to have a handle on what a real truck is yet, I've rebuilt too many Toyota transmissions with hard part failures, and the Nissan truck has too many strange design features to make it a good truck option, I've heard some mileage, trans, and rear axle complaints as well.
The rest are just too small and too light.

I own three Ford trucks, a 91 E150 van, an F250, and a Ranger, two 1 ton Dodge vans, and a 2001 half ton GMC, all three do fine, but the Dodge isn't much for towing. The GMC came to me as part of a larger deal, I didn't choose that or the Dodge Vans, but the GMC has surprised me with what it will pull, it's got over 120K on it and is still going strong and has pulled as much as 6400# over 200 miles and did it comfortably and that only has the V6 and is a short bed with the lightest duty 4L60E trans. (The trans will most likely prove to be the weak link, but it's shown no signs of trouble as of yet). The Dodge vans are good cargo carriers, but poor tow vehicles, mostly due to the lack of traction and poor visibility
No matter which vehicle you choose, if it's not set up right for what you are towing and your trailer isn't set up correctly, it will struggle.
Always make sure that any auto trans that you are towing with has the largest cooler possible, and always choose the lowest rear ration you can get for towing. Also, a two wheel drive vehicle usually makes a better tow vehicle, there is less parts to wear, they are lower to the ground making your hitch height more suitable, and they have a lower center of gravity and tend to handle better with larger loads.
A good limited slip rear and good tires are usually all that's needed on most ramps.
 

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Re: What truck to buy?

Which is why I said Tundra.

Come on folks -- he does not need a diesel powered anything. Any 1/2 ton, heavy half, or 3/4 ton pickup, 2 or 4 wheel drive will tow that rig just fine PROVIDED one selects the proper rear axle ratio and doesn't stick god awful large tire on it which defeats the purpose of the axle gearing.
 

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You could also simply have the R&P swapped on your Suburban and solve your problem for less than $1000...esp. since you stated you'll only be towing 6-10 times per year.

Tundra??? Did he say he was looking for a truck for his wife? ;)
 

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He could probably find a 4.10 locker at a salvage yard for half that.
 

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Me thinks I too have to agree with Silvertip. While you could go the diesel route (the Duramax/Allison is tasty), the right V-8 and gear ratio can really pull. My little 5.3 in my Sub with 3.72's really pulls. Plus, when towing, we need to remember we are towing, not burnin' up the 1/4 mile. All of that said, very hilly terrain, huge loads, long distance, a diesel really has the torque going for it.
 

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So you guys say he needs pretty much what he already has and is dissatisfied with?

Oh, I forgot, you want it to get worse mileage, too?

Seems to me he wants a vehicle that tows better and gets better mileage.

If the Duramax and Allison package was available in a double cab half ton I would suggest that. It isn't (yet?).
 

jspringator

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Yeah, a D/A or PSD will Tow better, and get better mileage, but at a cost of $45,000! That will buy a TON of gas. A V-8 Sub with a 4.10 should tow 5,000 lbs pretty easy. My 90 TBI Sub (5.7L) towed 5,500 lbs to Florida from Kentucky once, and it had 3.42 Could something else be wrong with your Sub?

You do have OD locked out, right?
 
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bjcsc

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He could probably find a 4.10 locker at a salvage yard for half that.

Not and have it installed...


So you guys say he needs pretty much what he already has and is dissatisfied with?

Oh, I forgot, you want it to get worse mileage, too?

His problem is the gear ratio, not the vehicle. You seriously think it makes economic sense to move up to a 3/4ton diesel daily driver to tow "6-10" times per year?
 

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I had a 96 Dodge Ram quad cab, with the 318 V8 4x4, it pulled anything i needed to with it, gas mileage wasnt the best but it ran like a champ. also the 94-97 didnt have rear doors (the suicide doors for the rear seat) the 98-02 and later models have the 4 door. I currently run a 99 dodge Ram with the cummins and its all modded out to around 500hp and 950+lbs of torque..yeah it pulls my boat!! but i think my truck would deffinelty be overkill for what this fellow wants to use it for. Chev, ford, or dodge 1/2 ton ext. cab, either one you go with will work for him, yes they all have their quirks but all are reliable.
 

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JB, his 94 Sub with the 5.7 is not quite the same as an 04/05 with a 5.3, especially if he is running 3:42 gears, which are common on 2wd's, I had a 91 3/4 ton Sub with a 5.7 and 3:72 gears. I bought it new and while I loved it, it does not pull as strong as my 04. If I towed a lot and they had the Duramax Allison in a Sub, I would drive that in a flash. But the current combo runs pretty strong.
 

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I'm talking about an entire rear end. Swapping that out is not rocket science and can be done in a driveway. If you want to swap ring and pinion to a 4:10 yes - that gets spendy because the time time involved and setting pinion depth is not a job anyone can do since they don't have the tools. As for changing what the gentleman has, it is a suggestion -- not a demand. As for getting better mileage AND towability, they are at opposite ends of the performance spectrum. You have one or the other but both must be a compromise. It's simple physics. Toyota for example spends a ton of money boasting about the horsepower and towability of the Tundra -- but have you been on a trip in one towing a reasonable load and have you heard Toyota making any fuel economy claims? You can make any engine deliver gobs of torque or gobs of horsepower, but economy and towability fall somewhere in between. Toyota has apparently taken the towing road and skipped the economy side of the equation. I tow thousands of miles a year and have made many trips with friends following in various rigs. In my experience import vehicles tend to get very poor mileage when towing. Probably the best example I have is a Honda Pilot (obviously not in Tundra territory but still rated rather high in towability) towing a boat very similar in size and weight to mine which gets towed by an S10 Crew Cab with 3.73 gears. It routinely gives 17 - 17.4 MPG towing my Alumacraft Navigator 165CS loaded with a weeks worth of gear and food. The Honda works very hard to achieve 14 MPG with essentially the same load. My S10 tows in overdrive with A/C running whereas the Honda will not stay in top gear and has trouble staying two gears down on even the slightest grades. It will only pull steady if revs are kept at 4000 rpm while the S10 cruises effortlessly at 2200. My fishing partner has an identical vehicle and boat as mine but his S10 has 3.42 gears and he MUST run in direct as it will not stay in OD so there is obviously a big difference in towability by simply selecting the right rear end gears. As they say, it takes a lot of horsepower to make up for a bad rear end gear selection.

Would it be nice to tow my boat with a big diesel anything? Certainly! Is it necessary? Of course not. There is no need to drive a tack with a sledge hammer.
 
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