What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

UncleSpidey

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Okay...so I've been looking at a 1989 Chaparral Villain III. The survey and sea trial was earlier this week. The only area of major concern to me is a high reading on the moisture meter in two places on the upper transom where the rail for the swim platform attaches. There are some hairline cracks in the gelcoat where the rail attaches, and you can see a small amount of rust at these points. After the sea trial I can clearly see what happens. When the boat is slowed from cruise, water will wash up onto the swim platform. Clearly, the attachment points for the rail are not adequately sealed, and there has been some seepage of moisture into the upper transom. It maps out pretty clearly, and doesn't appear to extend below the level of the swim platform. Everything else measured dry (although he couldn't really get to the stringers very well). By percussion, there doesn't seem to be delam of the wood.

Pictures may help explain. The green tape defines the areas of high moisture. Outside the taped area measures dry.

Moisture #2.jpgMoisture #1.jpg

The text of the report is as follows:

*Transom: The transom above the dive platform exhibited high moisture levels measured by a GRP-33 meter but no
indications of delamination when percussion tested. The affected areas were around the standoffs on the dive platform
rail that showed indications of rust and water intrusion. While the rail appears solid at this time, this condition can be
expected to be progressive and will lead in time to weakening of the entire transom unless efforts are made to properly
seal the leaking areas and arrest the spread of moisture.
Sounding and Moisture Readings: Except as noted on the transom, all readings were in acceptable range.

Now ideally, a core test should be done, but that isn't going to happen unless I buy the boat at which point the question of whether to walk away is kinda' moot.

So what do you think? Should I look at this as the early stages of a cancer that is ultimately going to require the replacement of the transom? Since the area still feels solid with the hammer, can I just seal this up to prevent further intrusion of water and keep an eye on it? If I do seal it up, am I just trapping the existing moisture in there to continue to wick through the entire transom? Is this an area where something like CPES might work? Is the world just too full of good used boats to waste your time on one that needs a little love??

Buying a boat is just simply NOT a rational decision!!

Spidey
 

oops!

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

hi.....welcome to iboats.....

if let go untreated......it will cost a transom.

if there is no rot.......you can remove the swim ladder.....pour in git rot or anti freeze.......let dry for the winter season......(heat and a fan) in the spring......seal properly with 5200 or cpse. and your good to go
 

zopperman

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

Oops, what does antifreeze do?
 

Silverbullet555

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

Congrats on being smart enough to get a survey on your boat. You now know what you are getting into.

The rot is the key factor. If there is rot, as Oops stated, some major work to be done. If not, a lot easier.
 

zopperman

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

Does that stuff dry the wood and make it strong again?
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

no, it just kills the fungus that rots the wood
 

americaneagler77

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

i think you would be hard pressed to find a boat of that vintage that doesnt have moisture or water damage somewhere, every used boat ive ever bought needs at least a weekend of tlc before i put them on the water.....if this is the only issue and no rot is present you only need an hour of tlc and your on the water, it wouldnt scare me.
 

UncleSpidey

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

Thank you for the replies so far. I feel honored that the first one came from Oops...you're like an iBoats celebrity! (I read through the hull extension thread a few weeks ago. I'm still in awe.) If I hear from friscoboater I'll be completely starstruck. You guys are my Yoda!

The more I look at pictures of the boat, the more I'm beginning to wonder if this really is an issue with the transom. The front of the swim platform is angling forward, and is where the moisture readings were high. What I was calling the lower transom, where the drive is attached, angles the opposite direction and measures dry. Would the swim platform be a part of the boat cap? Would the actual transom be separate and sealed off from this?

I'm not saying there isn't a problem, but maybe its not as bad as it could be.

IMG_3148.jpg
 

oops!

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

hi spidey.

in an i/o situation like that......usually the transom goes up to that point.......however.....if you say it is at a different angle....it might just be a wet backing plate......and that is not really an issue.....to be fixed yes....but not a real issue.

is there any way you can climb in the back of the boat?......

it will be easy to see if the transom goes up that far.....

the cost to repair a bad backing plate in that area is about 500 bux......(pro) you can diy for 30 bux and an hour or two).

but it can be a great bargaining point !.

nice boat....

cheers
oops
 

UncleSpidey

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

is there any way you can climb in the back of the boat?......

it will be easy to see if the transom goes up that far.....

Would've been no problem if I had just thought about it. The boat is about 90 miles from where I live, so checking now isn't impossible but is a lot more complicated.

Am I crazy? These have to be different pieces, right?? That would explain why the high moisture cuts off sharply once the horizontal portion of the swim platform is reached - the water comes in at the standoffs of the rail, runs south until it hits the bottom of the vertical piece, but then really has nowhere else to go.

Transom Angle Comparison.jpg

Looking at the transom from under the swim platform showing a completely different angle...

Lower Transom Pict.jpg

I have NO experience with boat building or repair other than watching some of the excellent videos people have done and reading through the threads. Assuming these are different pieces, would a backing plate be encapsulated in fiberglass, and would there be a barrier at the joint preventing it from being in continuity with the upper portion of the transom? Perhaps these are questions nobody can answer without looking, but it's worth a shot to ask.

Sure wish I'd taken some more pictures of the engine bay...but hey, at least I'm teachable! Maybe I'll take a trip over to the owner's forum at the Chaparral site to see if anybody there knows.
 

tpenfield

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Re: What to make of the survey report - high moisture readings on the upper transom

You are going to worry yourself sick.

If you have access to the inside surface of the transom, you can drill a few holes, then dry and treat the areas.

Having some high moisture content in a transom of a boat in that vintage is typical, but not fatal.

It would not be a show stopper IMHO.
 
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