What the heck is this?

waterinthefuel

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If I understand rolmops correctly, he would give someone a pay raise simply because they had another birthday. Well doesn't that take out any motivation to do better? Why bother, as my age will get me better pay. The living situation should not dictate the pay, the pay should dictate the living situation.

Next thing you know he'll want to make for mandatory marriage raises.


Only a lib would think that's a good idea. Certainly another socialist ideology.
 

ricksrster

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The government does not print money. The Federal Reserve Bank does. The Fed is a privately owned central bank. It is not part of the government. To raise money to pay the bills the government makes taxes. There is no way the government produces anything to earn money nor do they create money. How much money is made available or taken away is controlled by the Fed. All money is on loan from the Fed.
 

QC

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Blo Ho,

I consider all of these threads kinda like one big thread. With that said, your one of the first to proclaim profits as excessive and businesses as evil and making money as bad. Yes, again, unless it's you . . . :p

Well there is always the possibility that Good Ole Murky is spot on and all of your posts are an attempt to manipulate stupid people into reacting to stupidity. I choose to think you mean what you post ;)

rolmops,

I like the way you think, but sounds like an excuse for a new mega-bureaucracy . . .
 

Haut Medoc

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Blo Ho,

I consider all of these threads kinda like one big thread. With that said, your one of the first to proclaim profits as excessive and businesses as evil and making money as bad. Yes, again, unless it's you . . . :p

Well there is always the possibility that Good Ole Murky is spot on and all of your posts are an attempt to manipulate stupid people into reacting to stupidity. I choose to think you mean what you post ;)

rolmops,

I like the way you think, but sounds like an excuse for a new mega-bureaucracy . . .
Only the ones who have a monopoly of are mandated by law.....
.Ie, mandatory car insurance.....:)
The evil business & making money thing are what you conjured, not what I stated.....;)
 

puddle jumper

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They tried the sliding pay scale here and what happened was the employers just hired the young people for the lower wage and got rid of them when they went up in pay scale. It didnt last long.
 

OldMercsRule

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The government does not print money. The Federal Reserve Bank does. The Fed is a privately owned central bank. It is not part of the government.

Rick, Rick. This is one of those odd areas used by the cornspiracy crowd to cornfuse otherwise rational people who natuarally get cornfused about cormplex interrelationships in finance. Who appoints the FED? Hmmmmmmm? You think private banks still print money? That changed in 1913, (I think it was then). Do you think Fort Knox is privately owned?

To raise money to pay the bills the government makes taxes. There is no way the government produces anything to earn money nor do they create money.

Yes they do. The US Treasury OWNS the means of greenback production: Rick, (staffed by worker bees paid directly by Uncle Sam, on property owned by Uncle Sam, usin' equipment owned by Uncle Sam). Look at any bill in yer wallet!!!!! All Federal banks would not exist without a Federal Charter, the ownership of Federal Banks may in fact be private, but their very existance is BY THE LEAVE OF big Gubmint. They would not exist fer a nano second if the Gubmint did not authorize their very existance. This is not chicken or egg. The Gubmint does set monetary policies via the Fed. Why do ya think the Fed chairman testafies all the time to Congress?

How much money is made available or taken away is controlled by the Fed. All money is on loan from the Fed.

The Feds' very existence minute to minute is by permission of the US. Gubmint, the specific arm of ol' Uncle Sam is called the Comptroller of Currency, staffed by Uncle Sams' employees. Ya wanna see grown men or women cry? Give 'em a credible story that the status of the Federal Charter of their employer a Fererally chartered bank is under review due to X, (somethin' bad [n' credible] you happen ta know about) by the Comptroller of Currency, THE ARM OF BIG NANNY GUBMINT REPORTIN' TO THE OL' TREASURY SECRETARY, WHO REPORTS DIRECTLY TA: guess who? Yes Mrs. Jones his name is: President George W Bush, thank you very much. Ownership of the Fed is moot Rick! Respectfully, (and I mean it) JR
 

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The chairman is appointed by the President. The board members by who knows. The gold in Ft Knox is gone. The chairman of the Fed does make a report to Congress and the Fed is chartered by the government. The government does not control the actions of the Fed. The Fed can cause depression and inflation. they can inflate the money supply or contract the money supply. When we enter a recession the money just doesn't up and disappear. It just changes hands and goes back the banks and the men who control the banks. Some people get rich from depressions.Greenbacks have not been printed in a very very long time by the government. It may not be a bad idea to go back to the old greenback system but the Central Banks of this planet would put up a big fuss. What makes a Federal Reserve Note worth anything is that it is legal tender for all debts public and private. We accept them and the government will accept them for the paying of taxes. The money supply is all borrowed from the Fed. The government borrows money from the Fed. The government does issue bonds.
 

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The chairman is appointed by the President.

Agreed

The board members by who knows.

I think the Regional Fed Reserve Banks

The gold in Ft Knox is gone.

NO Rick yer real wrong here!!

The chairman of the Fed does make a report to Congress and the Fed is chartered by the government.

Agreed

The government does not control the actions of the Fed.

Not directly day to day, this was set up to take the best minds of banking n' let them run this aspect of our monetary system. The Gubmint would mess things up with politics if it worked any other way. The ultimate corntrol is indirectly by the Gubmint.

The Fed can cause depression and inflation.

Yup, but monetary policy is VERY transparent n' takes at least six months to have effect fer a reason n' no Fed Chairman or Fed Res Board would stay in place long without the full faith of our political leaders. [Some exceptions are reserve requirements n' other EMERGENCY tools that could bring any Federal Reserve Bank to a halt in a couple of minutes.]

they can inflate the money supply or contract the money supply.

Yup

When we enter a recession the money just doesn't up and disappear.

OH yes it does Rick! It's called disintermediation. The recent crisis was related to this very corncept, n' the cornfidence came back after the European Central bank n' our Fed acted to liquify.

It just changes hands and goes back the banks and the men who control the banks.

Wrong: see above! Disintermediation is like the tide, cornfidence is the only way to stop it.

Some people get rich from depressions.

Of 'course they do. Most get poor. Short stocks n' go long credit worthy long bonds!! Maybe gold, (much less predictable with tangables).

Greenbacks have not been printed in a very very long time by the government.

I was usin' slang fer Federal reserve notes if yer tryin to score points now about the silver certificates, gold standard carp. Knock it off already. Let's not intentionally cornfuse every one here!! The US Treasury PRINTS ALL US CURRENCY n' has since 1913.

It may not be a bad idea to go back to the old greenback system but the Central Banks of this planet would put up a big fuss.

OK OK sorry I used slang, (greenbacks) lets stick with Fed Reserve Notes (in shades of green hence the slang), backed by the full faith n' credit of Nanny Gubmint that's the US gubmint. Yer really full of this stuff.

What makes a Federal Reserve Note worth anything is that it is legal tender for all debts public and private. We accept them and the government will accept them for the paying of taxes.

Yup.

The money supply is all borrowed from {{{Wrong: created by}}} the Fed.

Based on one and only one thing Rick: "the full faith n' credit" of the largest entity on this planet with the strongest military n' the POWER to tax the wealthiest people n' corporations on said planet: US GUBMINT.


The government borrows money from the Fed.

No Rick technically the Fed borrows money based on the credit of the US Gubmint, n' said Gubmint prints the stuff NOT THE FED!

The government does issue bonds.

N' the fed uses it's magic check book (that is never balenced: Mrs Jones), to buy 'em to increase money supply, n' the Treasurey issues 'em at auction to decrease said supply.

Rick you have an impressive level of knowledge here. Yer wrong in a few areas, (fairly minor).

This is great stuff fer conspiricy theories, but the Gubmint: through the Fed Reserve manages the money supply. It is in concert with the US Treasury n' the Executive Branch as carefully supervised by the Legislative Branch.


Big Gubmint could not have political hacks n' non accountable Socialists in the bowels of Nanny Gubmint doin' the day to day management of the money supply. Private Capitialists closely moniterd by the political leaders are the correct solution n' since 1913, (from memory so don't hold me to this date, I'm fairly sure it is close) it has been that way. In 1929 they really screwed up, n so did Nanny Gubmint!! In the mid 1960s Burns, (under direct pressure of LBJ screwed up by printin' way too much n' launched the great inflation of the late 1960s to early 1980s, (baby boomers n' Great Society helped mess us up too). Jimmy Carter appointed Paul Volker (a Dem NOT A DIM WIT), who saved us with the help of Ronald Reagan from the very Large Snow ball LBJ's Fed chief started, the two since then Greenspan n' now Bernanke have done very well keepin' the ball from crushin' us. No Socialist or grimmy Poiltician could ever do that. IMHO. Great discussion but moot to the thread we are on here. Respectfully, JR ps: yer obviously very informed fer an ace mechanic: Rick, (at least thats what I thought you were, maybe yer a rocket scientist!!) certianly you have very impressive intellect n' grasp of these arcane matters most don't understand. The Gubmint prints money n' sets policies, but leaves the day to day management of the monitary system to private bankers who are very ackomplished n' mostly apolitical. It is the best way to do it!! Does not impact a single thing I said earlier in this thread my statements still stand!!

Yah know Rick: I did the above all from memory, but I feel like I just took me Series Seven (that I passed in May 1982). HOW DO YOU KNOW ALL THIS STUFF, me single brain cell is overheatin'?? Thanks ta you!!!
 

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Right . The thread is about successful trickle down. It works. Not only does competition of products in the market place determine prices and wages but also competition in the labor pool. Burger flippers making higher wages because of competing businesses is a whole lot more reasonable than dictated by the government.
 

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Only the ones who have a monopoly of are mandated by law.....
.Ie, mandatory car insurance.....:)
The evil business & making money thing are what you conjured, not what I stated.....;)
Oil is neither, that's where my conjuring came from . . . ;)
 

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I love the fact that some seem to think we need a indentured servant class to do the jobs "Americans won't do" and then whine about nearly non-existant unemployment. I now have to order my fast food by number because the staff doesn't understand english meanwhile my taxes to go support someone who feels I need to work hard so he can bide his time to find a more fullfilling career. I would try multitasking, looking for a more fulfilling career while working. Call me crazy.

There seems to be a sincere lack of humility in our society, and a lack of respect for a job well done. We denegrate those who work in the food industry by calling them "burger flippers" and define their work as less than dignified. Why do they do this? To benefit those who do this kind of work? NO! They do it to support whatever political hack wants to make political points that day. Meanwhile the trades are filling up with illegal immigrants and the pay schedule is crashing downward and all I hear is Americans don't want to do this kind of work. If they want to eat they will. At the same time I keep hearing about the need for a "living" wage. Who exactly is driving down the wage scale. Those same lazy fools who don't think that a service job is compatible with American society, (the society they are defining) and proudly display their GED while waiting for a VP position to open while thongs of overeducated liberals cheer them on for their tenacity and bravery. Any job is worth doing if that is what it takes to survive.
 
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