WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

74SkeeterHawk

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Seen oops talk a lot about peanut butter but still havent a clue weather its an oops top secret speacial that is home made or if its a product I could go pick up at the local boat repair retailer. Anyone know what this stuff is :D? thanks
 

ondarvr

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

It's actually putty, but when being made at home it's easier to say to mix it to about the consistency of peanut butter. You can get many different products to mix with resin to make putty, it just depends on how you want to use it.
 

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Ayuh,...

Once you get to the fiberglass part,.. You already have most of the materials,...
You just gotta get the powders,+ fillers that are used for thickening,+ strengthening...
Cabosil,..
Micro-bubbles,..
Chopped glass,..
Milled glass,..
Even sawdust are but a few....
 

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

lots of different ways to mix some up. mostly depends on what you have around and the project you're working on.

basically...mix the resin according to spec's and add a thickener to the desired consistency.
 

74SkeeterHawk

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

So to my understanding you would take resin and mix in the filler and simply add the catlyst for hardening.?
 

74SkeeterHawk

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

Heres a great break down of cabosil, one of the fillers for anyone with similar questions to what I have had. It helped my over technical mind grasp the simplicity of what "Peanut butter" is all about. Thanks Bondo and friends! Yalls knowlege is always a great help.


M5 Cab-o-Sil Thickening Agent for Fluids


Cabosil is a synthetic, amorphous, untreated fumed silicon dioxide. Because of its inert nature, it has been used in food such as kethcup as well as in shampoo and some cosmetics. When mixed into liquid resin, Cabosil functions as a resin thickener (flow control agent) and sometimes as an anti-settling, anti-caking agent. Its applications are many, including thickening paint, dyes in the screen printing industry, epoxy, polyester, urethane, water, hand soap and shampoo. It is a versatile thickening agent that has even been used to "thicken" fresh water and sea water. Eager Plastics supplies quatities of Cabosil as small as 8 ounces.

Cabosil is an extremely fine particle size silica (silicon-dioxide / SiO2) aerogel. It is pure white and free-flowing. Each volume contains about 94% dead air space, with a density of only 2.3 lb/cu ft. On the other hand, water (density 62.4 lb / cu ft) weighs about 27 times more.

During the cure cycle, polyesters and epoxies being liquids tend to run off of vertical surfaces and accumulate on horizontal surfaces. The vertical surfaces become resin starved, whereas valleys become resin rich. The resin starved areas fail to achieve expected strength, and the resin rich areas suffer excessive shrinkage and warpage. Both of these undesirable conditions can be eliminated with the addition of the proper amount of cabosil. This thixotropic agent holds the liquid resin in place until the curing agent takes over and hardens it.

Normally, Cabosil is added at a 1% to 7% proportion based on the weight of the liquid (resin, hardener, thinner) involved. Because resin and Cabosil have such different densities, weight proportions are awkward. For example, one gallon of polyester weighs 9 pounds; 7% of 9 lbs is 10 ounces, which for Cabosil is about 1.25 gallons by volume. For many situations, volumetric proportions are more convenient. A gallon of resin and a gallon of Cabosil is a 50/50 ratio by volume, but only 5% by weight. Incidentally, this 50/50 volume ratio results in a resin consistency about like vaseline. Lesser amounts yield a more liquid consistency, whereas greater amounts yield thicker pastes. The exact amount used is determined by the application. The addition of Cabosil has no effect on such properties as pot life, cure time , etc., and only affects strength to the degree that entrapped air reduced cross-sectional area.

For preciseness, a distinction has to be made between thickness and thixotropic. These terms are not the same. Thixotropic fluids are not always thick. They are only thick when they are left undisturbed. When they are being mixed or brushed, they appear to be fluid, but when left undisturbed for 20 to 30 seconds, they become thicker and stop flowing. This is how it is possible to have a liquid that is easy to brush, but will not run.

In order to get the maximum effect with the least amount of Cabosil (EP7965) the microscopic particles must be homogeneously dispersed throughout the resin. For best results, use a high shear mixing blade running at maximum speed. The effect can be increased even more using Cabosil activator, EP7708. If a mixing stick must be used, expect to consume more of the agent. Whenever thixotrophy is needed, no finer, more effective product exists than Eager Plastics? Cab-o-sil.


PROPERTIES:
Weight per Gallon: Approximately 8 oz.
pH (4% aqueous slurry): 3.7 - 4.3
B.E.T. Surface Area: 200 m2 / g
325 mesh (44 microns) residue: 0.02% max
Bulk Density: 3.0 lb / cu ft (max)
Pour Density: 50 g/l Tap Density
Loss on Heating: <1.5% max
Loss on Ignition (@1000C): <2 wt%
Refractive Index: 1.46
X-ray form: Amorphous
Assay (Percent Silicon Dioxide): >99.8%
Oil Adsorption: 350 g / 100 g oil
Average Particle (Aggregate) Size: 0.2-0.3 microns

Cabosil (EP7965) is available in the following sizes:

8 oz by weight (approx 1 Gallon)

1 lb by weight (approx 2 Gallons)

10 lb Original paper bag

180 lb / 18 bag skid

Multiple Skids - Call for Pricing
 

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

yup thats the stuff

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=234392

in the hull ext thread there is an index

the peanut butter i mixed at first.....was this

peanut butter....posts #55, 81


oops super dooper peanut butter...ingrediants & mixing....post # 1898 pg 76
 

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you never know what you'll find when you( aka me ) would actually read something through and through instead of scanning. Thanks oops! lol

By the way given thought to actually publishing the hull ext thread? Theres a plethora of info there I'm sure would sell in book form. ;)

Rob the rookie
 

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a lot of people have suggested i write a book on the thread....but i wouldnt know where to start !

but i still might do a book.....but i gotta finish the project first! :eek:
 

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Well you know I don't read a lot but when I do most books are manuals of some sort written by people who don't usually write but are well versed in thier trades. I can tell you that you realy dont need to know where to start most everything is writen already in the thread. I think you would just have to get in contact with a publisher and have them take all your notes. They then would probubly be able to assemble them some kind of ordered read. Wouldnt hurt to look.....by the way if you do ill buy the first copy.:cool:

Rob the rookie
 

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a lot of people have suggested i write a book on the thread....but i wouldnt know where to start !

Ayuh,.... Hire a Proofreader to fix yer Spellin'......:D
by the way if you do ill buy the first copy.:cool:
Rob the rookie

I'll take the 2nd copy,... Signed of course...... ;)

Btw,... Rob's Publisher could probably fix the spelling while they structure the book....:D
 

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

FuzzyWigglers defination

it is thickend resin use for structurally bedding/attatching stringers transom decks ect. It is called P/B or Peanut Butter because you thicken it to a peaunut butter constiency.

you can use:

wood flour (not saw dust)

colloidal silica

Phenolic Mircro Balloons

glass bubbles

chopped F/G

for thickeners.

If you check out the Hull Extention thread you can see oops special recipy for it. I found the page

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread....234392&page=76

post 1898 (near the bottom)
 

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

Best definition that I have seen is that it is :
in boat work and repair, a resin mix thickened with admixtures to a viscosity and slump that is just slightly too thin and unsupportive for the requirement at hand. This requires the addition of sufficient additive to render it, then, too thick and unworkable for the purpose intended. :)
 

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Re: WHat is 'Peanut Butter"????

There are very good books already , this was cheap at $16.
Theres lots more out there.

John A. Wills , "Industrial resin putty's"

http://johnawills.com/indpu.html

This gelcoat formula book looks interesting.

"SUBJECT: A formulation manual for making gel coats to be used as coatings only or as surface coatings for reinforced plastics.
EDITION: 1st Ed.
PUBLISHER: John A. Wills & Co.
BINDING: Plastic comb
PAGES: 35 81/2" x 11"
LISTPRICE: 16.00
PUBDATE: 840609

DESCRIPTION: The author shows the reader how to make "gel" (transfer) coats from many resins - especially polyester, in many ways. Some will be the hard way it used to be made years ago. The easy way today allows even the amateur formulator to mix a gel coat with a stick! Whichever way you do it, using these instructions you will be drawing upon over 50 years of experience the author has had in the reinforced plastics field. Boats, spas, shower stalls, cultured marble, aircraft and automotive parts depend upon "transfer" coatings to be the "paint job" as well as the wearing surface. Industrial products often require corrosion resistance to the be the primary purpose of the surface coating. You will find formulas for these. The advantage of compounding your own surface coatings is that not only will you lower costs, but you will have full quality control as well. Whether you apply coatings of your own manufacture, or that which you purchase on the open market, or even if you are the only user of a particular coating, the knowledge of how gel coats are made and how they are applied, will be of great benefit to applicator and consumer alike.



PRICE INCLUDES SHIPPING, HANDLING AND SALES TAX
 

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