What do you think of these boats?

[thumpar]

With that tow vehicle it will probably have to be 17' or less. When you see a listed weight it is without fuel and all the crap that you need to put on the boat to go out. Add the trailer weight and it will be over the tow capacity. I like to stay well below max. That little Suzuki it going to get thrown around by anything close to max capacity.

 

[jkust]

Monterrey makes a very nice product...I like the line up from that one in the Montura series that has a lot more going on than that Edge. I'd have a tough time buying a 3 liter when the 4.3's are practically free this many years along on a used boat. The 4.3's may sell quicker but you aren't going to garner that much more for it.

 

[hostage]

The monterey has a some bad dock rash on the bow and and another part. You can see the fiber and dont know if marine tex could fix it or not. Also the hole on the bellows is on the exaust only. The ebttide seems better

 

[jkust]

If you are moving up from your current boat...I don't see you wanting to spend valuabe boating time fixing up a project. To me this is such a great time to buy a used boat since the early 2000's the manufacturers really started making decent stuff.

 

[hostage]

We are thinking of looking at this one: http://buffalo.craigslist.org/bod/4977165713.html

It is sold by a dealer about an hour away from us. Luckily they are open later, than other dealers who like to only be open when people are at work ><

They did say it was never covered, so they fabricated covers for the boat and that the seat tops have a slight discoloration from it. It has been for sale on craigslist for 2 months, so I am betting they are willing to negotiate and it is light and small enough that my friend can tow it. It is a boat they own, so it is not a consignment sale.


A couple more boats might look at:

Price	Year	Size	Engine	Model	Type		Duration	Link
$6,200.00	2001	19	4.3	Ebbtide	OpenBow	Cayuga		http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/5023302500.html
$7,500.00	2003	19	3	Stingray	OpenBow	SeaBreeze		http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/5086614964.html
$8,100.00	1999	18	3	Sea Ray	OpenBow	Greece	20-May	http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/5035143690.html
$7,500.00	1999	17.5	3	Glastron	OpenBow	Penn Yan		http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/5075066887.html
$8,995.00	1997	18	4.3	Sea Ray	OpenBow	Concesus		http://marksleisuretimemarine.boatplace.net/1997-sea-ray-185-NY-psi29939
$5,800.00	1997	18	3	Chaparral	OpenBow	North Tonawanda	22 Days	http://buffalo.craigslist.org/boa/5053875529.html
$9,900.00	2008	18	3	Maxum	OpenBow	Lackawanna, NY		http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2008-Maxum-1800-MX-102312062

 

[oldjeep]

Seats look pretty rotted and moldy
Drive lube is low
Engine has rust all over it
Drive - has some weird paint removal - not sure what would cause it to only be gone at the top of the "pod"
Basically a Bayliner 185 with a slightly nicer interior (when it was new)

Price is way too high just from seeing the condition in the pictures, and things usually look worse in person.


I'd be looking at this one - looks like someone actually took care of it
http://rochester.craigslist.org/boa/5013885927.html

Or for more $$ and it has the 4.3L
http://buffalo.craigslist.org/boa/5087367657.html

 

[444]

I would stay away from a 4cyl I/O. Perhaps I'm spoiled with my 175hp OB, but I drove a friend's newer 3.0 powered bayliner and that thing was quite gutless and with 3 adults onboard and a couple small kids on the tube, it took seemingly forever to struggle it's way onto plane.

Also, not that you are going to go too much older but they also used to measure the HP at the flywheel as well so the prop HP is even lower when you get to older vintages.

They haven't been measuring flywheel HP since the mid 80's IIRC.

 

[oldjeep]

I drove a friend's newer 3.0 powered bayliner and that thing was quite gutless and with 3 adults onboard and a couple small kids on the tube, it took seemingly forever to struggle it's way onto plane.



They haven't been measuring flywheel HP since the mid 80's IIRC.

If that is the case then there is something wrong with it, or your adults weigh 300lbs a piece

 

[jkust]

I would steer you to a 4.3 option for the nearly 50% more HP and 260 ft lbs of torque and also snap out carpet. With a gun to my head I would accept glued in carpet but never a 3.0 when the 4.3 is so readily available. The 4.3 is surprisingly capable. I don't like any of the above links save for the 2008 Bayliner Oldjeep linked up. I like the nicer look the MX interior has but there are some red flags on that one mentioned above and of course the 3.0.

 

[hostage]

The funny thing is I agree with a lot of what you guys say. I have a 2000 Maxum 19ft Cuddy w/ a 4.3L and snap in carpet paid about $7200 for it in 2010. Though I do disagree with the statement about Maxum being a Bayliner. I have seen a lot of used boats for the 2000's and I think Maxum is actually superior to Sea Ray. The hulls were made in a different factory. All the Sea Rays I have seen from that era have regular carpets, while the Maxums have snap in carpet, fiber glass liners, and composite or encapsulated stringers. I did see the rust and that was a little concerning, It makes me wonder if this boat was in salt water or something, though it did get a good review: http://www.boattest.com/boats/boat_video.aspx?ID=435

As the boat is so light weight the power to weight ratio is different, it is about 1000lbs lighter than a lot of other runabouts with a 4.3L. Also my friend that is looking is a skinny European. I think it is a good boat, though I question how well the prior owner took care of it, which is a big concern. As this boat has been sitting on the lot for over 2 months, I think the price will come down a lot in negotiation. Though I think this boat was about $15k new.

I am going to keep my eye out for more, though the $10k mark is the top he wants to go.

I thought my friend would prefer a direct drive ski boat, which we checked out, though he told me they really wanted to go with more of a family boat. Though when I take him out in my boat all he wants to do is water sports. There was a 2005 Bayliner w/ a 5.0L sitting next to the ski boat we looked at and it was in rough shape. The quality and finish seemed very poor and the 1992 skiboat we looked at was in better shape.

So while I agree there are better boats out there for less w/ a 4.3L, I really don't want to drive more than an hour looking for one.

 

[oldjeep]

Though I do disagree with the statement about Maxum being a Bayliner. I have seen a lot of used boats for the 2000's and I think Maxum is actually superior to Sea Ray. The hulls were made in a different factory. All the Sea Rays I have seen from that era have regular carpets, while the Maxums have snap in carpet, fiber glass liners, and composite or encapsulated stringers.

They used the same molds, the molds were all made in Arlington VA and then shipped to the various Bayliner/Maxxum plants. If you ever stuck a mid - late 2000's Bayliner next to a mid 2000's Maxxum the only way to tell them apart from the outside is the gel color The maxxum is lighter than most other boats because it has the same lightweight hull that bayliner has.

 

[hostage]

So I got bored and started looking further out...

http://ithaca.craigslist.org/boa/5082303215.html

He doesn't mind a cuddy. Though does EFI have a distributor?

 

[oldjeep]

Yes - EFI has a distributor in most cases until you get to something fancy enough to have coil packs. Even my 2012 Malibu/Indmar 5.7L has a distributor

 

[jkust]

Now you are in a completely different league...Chris Craft, ss hardware, dedicated anchor locker, double axle trailer, dual props 20 plus loa. Not a fan of those quintessential 90's colors that make otherwise nice boats look more dated than is necessary.

 

[hostage]

It seems like they barely have any 4.3L's in any boats that are in his price range that are not pre-vortex. All the boats seem to have a 3.0L, finding one with a 4.3L requires an hour + drive. I don't how worth it is, as we both have busy schedules. I thought finding a boat with the same size engine as mine would be fairly easy 5 years after I got mine for $7,200 and he has a budget of $10k. Though the market is pretty slim. That is one reason why I am looking at 3.0L as I can't find any others

 

[oldjeep]

An hour + drive is a pretty small time investment for something you spend 10K on and keep for years.

 

[jkust]

It seems like they barely have any 4.3L's in any boats that are in his price range that are not pre-vortex. All the boats seem to have a 3.0L, finding one with a 4.3L requires an hour + drive. I don't how worth it is, as we both have busy schedules. I thought finding a boat with the same size engine as mine would be fairly easy 5 years after I got mine for $7,200 and he has a budget of $10k. Though the market is pretty slim. That is one reason why I am looking at 3.0L as I can't find any others

My experience has been that that there is a short window of time in the spring when they all hit the market, then the good ones are gone and the 3 liters remain and a few good ones here and there trickle on the market. 3.0s sit, 4.3's get snatched up and the V8's are hit and miss. (The 3.0's and 4.3's get the same or nearly the same fuel economy as antithetical as that might sound to folks that maybe are just getting into boating). I just went through this buying my slightly used Waverunner and was lucky to hit the tail end of the window. Now the ones that remain are all old 2 strokes, early 4 strokes and newer but low end versions...people want the good ones and not to have to settle in the used market since your budget buys you so much more. It's the same with 4 wheelers (again as I've learned) except that revolves around hunting season instead of spring.

 

[hostage]

I guess I can see how people want to get rid of the boat at the start and at the end of the season.

An hour + drive is a pretty small time investment for something you spend 10K on and keep for years.

Yeah, though I have limited time and the wife doesn't want me driving across NY state a couple times a week to look at a boat for a friend. If it was us looking at a new boat, that would be a completely different story. I think they don't know what to look for in a boat. When I look at something I explore every square inch. They seemed just satisfied standing outside of the boat and staring at it. They are going to take a look at a stingray tomorrow, but a 19ft'er powered by a 3L seems like a bad combination. Maybe they should wait till the end of the season, maybe get one for cheap.

 

[jkust]

I guess I can see how people want to get rid of the boat at the start and at the end of the season.



Yeah, though I have limited time and the wife doesn't want me driving across NY state a couple times a week to look at a boat for a friend. If it was us looking at a new boat, that would be a completely different story. I think they don't know what to look for in a boat. When I look at something I explore every square inch. They seemed just satisfied standing outside of the boat and staring at it. They are going to take a look at a stingray tomorrow, but a 19ft'er powered by a 3L seems like a bad combination. Maybe they should wait till the end of the season, maybe get one for cheap.

I would say that the Stingray is THE only boat I would consider a 3.0 in given their performance with less power. Of course top speed and choppy ride isn't always appreciated.

 

[hostage]

I would say that the Stingray is THE only boat I would consider a 3.0 in given their performance with less power. Of course top speed and choppy ride isn't always appreciated.

Wow, not what I was expecting to hear! I did see the weight is 2500, though with a 4.3L: http://www.stingrayboats.com/products/catalogs/2003/all.pdf

The question is how much heavier is a 4.3L vs a 3L? This boat is seems like it will be heavier than the others.