what caused this motor to seize?

Faztbullet

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

Yep, have cranks & rods. You need the 65 Stinger I pm'd you about,its all fresh ready to assemble and will bolt up. You will also need to replace #1 coil as I saw someone smeared hi-temp silicon on it. Pm me if you need to.
 

gazza2007au

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

PM sent Faztbullet

as i mentioned yesterday i had 19 (all) of the manifold bolts snap i have tried weling a nut onto the bolts i have tried welding a blob onto the bolts i have tried two different sets of screw extractors and one snapped now is there anyway to get the exhaust manifold off without damaging the crankcase? since this engine had blown from the exhaust manifold leaking water i will replace this part but i need to get it off and the bolts are to long to drill out check out the picture a shop quoted me $600 to remove the broken bolts so that is not an option
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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

Can you access a acy/oxy torch? If so knock off the front and center covers, dont worry cause their trashed anyway. Weld nut to remaining studs as before and use torch to heat block where stud screws in.
 

gazza2007au

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i can hire an oxy i have done so before and my brother inlaw is a boil maker (i get him to do most of my welding/oxy jobs) but back to the problem how would i get the front and centre covers off i will damage them to get them off i just dont want to damage the crankcase i was thinking of drilling the sides of the exhaust manifold and drilling right thru the bolts cutting them off low enough for me to lift atlease the front cover off will this work? as its the only idea i can think of at the moment
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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

If you are determenined to get that black apart I would get a rubbermaid container and alot of penetrating oil (5 gal deisel may work). Submerge the block and come back a week later.
 

gazza2007au

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guys how can i get this last piece off? we had to use the grinder to grind right around the edge and thru each bolt to remove the bigger exhaust manifold peice now im stuck on getting the smaller piece off without damaging the cylinder surface i need some ideas all that is holding it on is salt in the bolts and the gasket but i have tried pulling it apart it wont budge

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

I'm reading through this closely and I'm just asking myself... is this engine worth the time and expense of repair? Crank, Head, Pistons, Rods, Bearings, Bolts... and you haven't even touched other components. Carboration, lower gears, fuel pump, electrics... me, I'm thinkin boat anchor. Here in the states I could get a running engine for a few hundred dollars and fix her up. I don't know your situation there but... hmmmm.

This just scares me. Money pit???

Good luck!!! We're all behind you!

Ross
 

gazza2007au

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a motor like this running sells for $1500-$2000 on ebay and more if u look into shops and local papers... i brought this motor for $280
 

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

I have rebuilt many engines.I'm telling you,with respect,forget about it.its the older style 3 cylinder.The newer styls went to a different exhust system.Your block,including all exhust passages and mating SURFACES are badly corroded.That is evident by pictures.We usually would look very closly and determine the value of a rebuild (weather worth doin or not)after looking at blocks closley.By the time you BUY replacement rods,crank and pistons,berings ,your well beyond the resonable cost.Then you need to consider all machine work,that all done,with the corrosion I can see by pictures,you will have leakage problems again because much of the aluminium mating surfaces are badly corroded.With the $280 loss,if you were to buy a DECENT running 3 cyl.you will bve ahead of the game,even if you decide to rebuild a RUNNINgG motor,your ahead,rods ,crank and berings are expensive ,as is machine work.A running end wouldnt need a new crank or rods,(usually).I would also think that with the corrosion I see, your lowerunit ,exhust adapter and trim and tilt(if have one) have issues as well.Those last bolts will come out if you heat the surrounding areas well and use a vise grip,move just a bit at a time ,also,look inside the cylinders ,between the round ports ,make sure there are NO cracks,it might be hard if rusted,if any cracks,you will need re-sleeve=$$$depending how deep any gouges ,or out of round cyl's are you may need to sleeve also,pay close attention to the alum cast around the cyl.sleeve where the head attaches,if the corrosion has weakened those ares,you may need welding,and machining so you have the alum around the cyl leaving just the steel will not work,
 

gazza2007au

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

to buy another used motor will be $1700 to rebuild this motor with getting the crankcase tig welded on sections that are corroded and machined plus everything else NEW will cost me around $1700 including buying the motor now i know its an easy option to just go buy another motor and toss it on my boat but what in a few months time when that blows up? im out of pocket alot more money than i would have been rebuilding this motor and having a motor rebuild for the same price of another motor im sure it will last a long time to come
if the matting surfaces are out of wack i will have them welded and machined and the lower unit come apart very easy there is no corrosion in the lower unit that i could find other than some rusted bolts and the water pump has just been replaced i confirmed this by pulling it apart my self
 

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

PM me. If you have that much time and money, I've got some bridges that I need to sell cheap.
 

gazza2007au

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ok guys im thinking of just replacing the powerhead... i got the crankshaft back and its bad so i will need 1 piston kit,crankshaft,exhaust manifold,gasket and seal kit,1 conrod and conrod bearings so i have been doing some looking around and found a powerhead for $200 shipping is a killer! im willing to pay it for a working powerhead... does $200 sound right for a working powerhead? as i have no clue over here a working powerhead is $1500 from a outboard wreckers thats about USD$1200 hence why im looking to buy from the USA if anyone knows of someone or a shop with a used powerhead please pass on the info
 

gazza2007au

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Re: what caused this motor to seize?

Faztbullet ive been waiting for your reply mate ;)
 
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