What Boat to buy?

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kbout12

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Hi Everyone. I'm new to boating. We've been boating around 10 times the past two years with friends and really enjoy it.
My question is,

1. What Kind of boat should I buy for a 1st time owner? (we're a family of 3 with a 10yr old daughter)

We plan on using it in Lakes only for general enjoyment. We plan to use it for water skiing, tubing etc...
We don't want to take it out in the ocean or use it for fishing. We plan to use it for recreational purposes and
taking out neighbors and families on the lakes around where we live.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
 

badkins50

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One thing I considered with two daughters and a baby boy was some privacy and a place to get out of the sun and elements. A cuddy aloud us to have a private bathroom, as well as a place for the kids to go change out of their wet cloths or simply lay down and nap. Also storage room. Good luck and welcome to the wonderful world of boating. Keep us posted.

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badkins50

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Oh yeah we also had an open now which was great for fishing and the kids loved riding up there. Personally our family all agree that the cuddy was definitely a better choice for our need. You'll know when you find the right one. Well at least until you get the 2 footitist lol.

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The Famous Grouse

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Re: What Boat to buy?

There are a couple of things that I think it's improtant to consider for a first time owner. You've stated your needs pretty clearly, but a little more information would help.

First, I'm assuming you plan on keeping the boat on a trailer? In that case, what kind of vehicle do you plan to use for towing? Keep in mind, fiberglass boats tend to be anywhere from fairly heavy to VERY heavy. I also own a cuddy like Badkins, for pretty much the reasons he states plus a cuddy can handle rougher water. However. . . my Welcraft and the trailer weigh very close to 5000 pounds with a mostly full load of fuel. That means I have to have a mid to large sized SUV or a pickup truck to tow it. In fact, even many bow riders are over 3000 pounds which is beyond the capacity that most cars and other light vehicles can tow.

The bottom line is that your vehicle situation may restrict what you can consider for options.

Another consideration is your overall mechanical ability. All boats require maintainance. Some boats require a little, others a lot, but generally it is porportional to the age of the boat. Naturally, you can pay to have someone else do it, but paying $100 an hour to make simple repairs can add up very quickly.

Finally, have you ever taken the helm of any of your friend's boats? How experienced are you at actually handling a boat?

Also, have you towed and backed up with a trailer and/or launched a boat?

In general, smaller and lighter boats are easier to handle and you can make up for minor mistakes by simply pushing them around. I found myself in a bit of a pickle last year when I accidently got a little far out of the channel and ran aground on a sand bar. With a bow rider, I could have simply gotten out and given it a good push. Sadly, this is not the case for a 22+ foot cuddy and at 4500 pounds. Also, bigger, heavier boats are not very tollerent of beginner mistakes like bumping the dock at a bit too high of a speed.

In general, for your needs and assuming you have the vehicle to tow it, I'd suggest it might be good to start looking at bow rider somewhere in the 18 foot range plus or minus. You could also look at smaller cuddies just to get a feel for what you like.

Outboards and inboard ouboards (I/O) both have advantages and disadvantages. Once you narrow down your choices we can get into that a little more.

Finally,there is the budget. How much do you have to spend? Boat isn't a noun, it's actually an abbreviation for Bust Out Another Thousand. That refers to both buying and maintaining. Keep in mind the boats need fuel--in some cases large quantities of same--insurance, and maintainance, so the whole budget cannot be blown on just aquiring the boat.

Good luck and don't be afraid to ask more questions.

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Re: What Boat to buy?

Hi kbout & welcome aboard:

Much along the lines of what Grouse said, I'd suggest a few things: 1.) spend some time looking at the local dealers. Get on a pontoon or two (some of them can tow tubes depending on how exciting you want things to be), get in a cuddy cabin or two (to see how much room you have below deck and in the cockpit) and crawl around a couple of bow riders to see if you like the layout.

Finding a V-hull bow rider between 16' and 18' should be pretty easy. I would say with your family size, you may want to look for something more toward 16' with an outboard motor (Evinrude, Johnson, Mercury are all good) and in the range of $3k to $4k. Basically, you cover a few bases with that kind of purchase: It'll tow behind most cars pretty easily, it'll hold your family plus about 3 more people, it'll tow tubes and skiers, it should be reasonably easy to learn to handle and trailer & it'll be relatively low maintenance. If you find you don't like boating and everything that comes with it, you're only out $3K or $4K. If you find you really enjoy it, you may figure out that you want a little/lot more boat and are willing to invest $$$ into a bigger one ... in which case, you can sell the 16' at a little bit of a loss and have a better idea of what you want long term.

Whatever you go for, make sure you test it on the water - and even better have a good marine mechanic look it over.
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

Thanks for the replies everyone.
I have driven a boat but I'm no expert. I drive an F-150 with a towing capacity of 7500 lbs. My budget would be in the 20-35k range. A friend of mine will be taking me out on his boat with my truck to show me how to do everything. I hope that helps!
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

That does help.

Basically, you have the capactiy to tow almost anything that (IMO) it would be reasonable for a first time boat buyer to own.

As far as budget, that will certainly be enough to purchase any number of options. In fact, IMO, you may not need to reach into even the low end of that budget, but that's for you to decide. My advice would be that given your needs, I would recommend that you look into boats even in the 10,000 range and then you can go up from there as/if needed.

I think SouthKogs makes a good suggestion. Start looking at different boats on your own. Cuddies, bow riders, etc. Let us know what appeals to you and how you intend to use the boat. We can offer comments from there.

One other thought: Boats should generally not be viewed as a life partnership. Don't worry about finding your "one and only" soul mate.

IMO, the majority of boaters spend a LOT of time worrying about finding the "perfect" first boat. And then 3 years after they do so, they start the process of upgrading to the next "perfect" boat. And the process continues, usually in 2 foot incriments.

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Re: What Boat to buy?

19' center console with bow seating, outboard 115-150 HP, bimini top. Go anywhere, do anything, handles easily, low maintenance, seaworthy and sturdy.
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

A bowrider would give you the most usable space and would be a good choice for general water sports and cruising. The cuddy cabin on a smalll boat is usually hot and cramped and you lose the bow seating area. While the cuddy would be better in rougher conditions, most of us taking the wife and kids out skiing, etc only do it in nice weather.
As for size, 20 feet is pretty nice. Its small enough to be easy to handle and big enough to take out another family or a bunch of your daughter's friends. Under 20 feet the beam tends to get narrower and you lose a lot of space. My feeling is that you can comfortably take 2 less people than the boats maximum rating, meaning that you won't be constantly in each others way and have room for toys, coolers, etc.
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

I have a family of 4 and for us, a bowrunner is the only option. It offers the most space and can accommodate guests. You will find that owning a boat become a social thing with other families often coming along for the ride.

A cabin cuddy is useful if you want to camp on the boat but how many people do you expect to sleep in a 20'-26' boat?

I have many friends with boats and I have found that people usually buy a boat that is too small and underpowered. Several neighbors have been suckered into a 18' Bayliner with a 4 cylinder engine and then take a hit when they realize they want more boat.
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

You're 150 will tow nearly anything you'd ever want to trailer (I've got an E150 ... if ya' can hitch it, you can tow it).

You've got a BIG budget (or at least bigger than mine :D), especially in the used boat market. That gives you a lot of flexibility. Depending on how you want to approach things, you might even consider shaving a little bit off that budget and renting a couple of different types to take out for a day and see if you like 'em on the water.

A first time boat owner might struggle learning the in's and out's of a big boat (24' or bigger). If you're thinking you want one that size eventually, you may want to consider if you want to start a little smaller (and cheaper) and then upgrade in a season or two. People do jump into bigger boats cold turkey all the time, and do just fine - but in my opinion there is a reasonable learning curve.

Have fun shoppin' - it's a good time.
 

kbout12

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Re: What Boat to buy?

Thanks Everyone. I took a look at the Stingray 2012 208LR today. Does anyone have any feed-back on Stingray or that model?
 

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Our first boat (2 years ago) is a 21' Sea Ray SevilleII with the aft cabin and we love it - Sleeps 4 below deck (if that is something you want to do) and has a head, Sink, fridge, microwave, TV/DVD - You get the idea.

We really like staying overnight at the marina, Kids really like it (9 & 12) and it will tow a tube although I have not tried it yet.

I had never driven a boat before this one but I wish now I would have got a 25'er - I am now looking to upgrade and then I need to get rid of this one - Big hassle I could have avoided but I wanted to learn the ropes on a smaller boat.

Do you plan on sleeping on your boat?

LK
 

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Re: What Boat to buy?

I like the remark from The Famous Grouse....... "Finally,there is the budget. How much do you have to spend? Boat isn't a noun, it's actually an abbreviation for Bust Out Another Thousand.
A friend recently said to me "there are two happy days in boating, the day you buy it and the day you sell it". Sorry I cant help with your choice, but rest assured a boat is a money pit with a lot of fun built in.
 

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Re: What Boat to buy? consider performance pontoon

Re: What Boat to buy? consider performance pontoon

I have owned both a 21ft open bow high performance boat (310HP/60 miles per hour) and now a 24ft pontoon boat (90HP/22Miles per hour)

You really have to look at some of the performance pontoon boats as a "hybrid" option for a family boater.
You are now seeing 24ft boats from manufactures like Bennington with 225-300HP outboards with triple tubes that are capable of 44-48 miles per hour. They give you so much room for gear and guest and have far less maintenance with the outboard engines. They can be trailered when setup on a Bunk trailer with dual axles and brakes $3,500-4000 extra. They do catch the wind and will drag the fuel economy of the tow vehicle down more then a boat 2x its weight.

They seem to be the "IT" boat here in Michigan at the local boat shows, they seem to be going towards performance and luxury market models. You just can't beat the space you get on the water, and a very smooth ride for everyone. Can't BBQ easily on a bowrider like you can on a pontoon boat. You also can go in shallow water with the outdrive and beach it without worrying about it. Just make sure you have to EXTRA LARGE anchors when trying to anchor off somewhere as the wind is the enemy on the pontoon boat.

I purchased a two tube model only because I already had a speed boat and felt that anything that I bought would never reach the thrill of the old boat at 60MPH with the big 454. So, my new pontoon boat went the luxury route, with large seating 1000 watt stereo, BBQ, changing room. Also some of the 50+ pontoon boats get a bit pricey over 50-60K.

I would not recommend two tube or three tube pontoons for the ocean or the great lakes, but they are fine for inland lakes and rivers, we still go out on the big lake party spot but we come down the river. The inland lakes in Michigan are large at 10,000+ acres and they are fine for those.
 

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Old thread. Closed.
 
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