War dead and wounded.

rolmops

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This evening I was made aware of the fact that after well over a thousand dead and more that 8000 wounded,many with lifelong disabilities, we are shown very little if anything about these war casualties.They are very carefully kept out of the news.The life of these soldiers before they were wounded or killed was not a secret.Now that they are wounded or dead,all of a sudden we are no longer allowed to see them.<br />Although I strongly disagree with this policy of not allowing the american people to see the price that many have paid for serving this nation, I do believe that this goes well beyond politics.<br />These casualties of war and now politics deserve better.Please send a card, or flowers, or books with a thank you note to either the family of a fallen soldier or to a wounded one.Now that they need our support on an individual bases we should not let them down or make them feel that they are forgotten.
 

kd6nem

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Re: War dead and wounded.

I'm not sure which (or whose) policy of not allowing us to see the results you mention, but I strongly agree that we need to show all the support we can to these fallen and there families. Great idea, rolmops. You are right, they do not deserve to be ignored. Their plight should not be a secret.<br /><br />Warning: Longwinded conservative opinions follow!<br /><br />Rolmops, who do you think is behind this apparent cover-up? Below I make some statements which may or may not have anything to do with your statement. Forgive me if not, although I believe they were still worth saying. This is therefore not particularly directed toward you, OK? I just feel a need tonight to freely express these thoughts. (I've been quiet for awhile, if anyone noticed) <br /><br />I figure that there could only be two possibilities if there really was such a hush put on this information, and I answer each. And then some! Been storing it up too long, I guess. :p BTW, I'm not convinced of this being so hushed, really. What were you expecting? <br /><br />I haven't watched the networks for a number of years, so I can't say what is or isn't shown. I haven't trusted the networks to be fair and unbiased for a long while, since they only show what they think will gain ratings or support their personal agenda. (Anyone care to deny that in light of Dan Blather? He's just the one who had let his irrational hate of conservative philosophy blind himself so bad that he took the one step too far and thus got caught) Networks do what they want with no regard for the country as a whole, or even the truth for that matter. It is all about money, power, and influence. It is creative editorialism, no longer journalism. The media sees it self as elite, and partnering with much of higher education they hope to re-engineer our society into some utopia. I guess they see that as their only option since they have chosen to write off faith in God as any sort of force for positive change. I'm sure everyone realizes things could go better in society. The media would be the first to whine to the people if anyone from the government kept them away from a story. They would be in court immediately to demand access if there was anything they wanted. And some looney judge would give them what they want, too, even if there was damage done to someone in the process.<br /><br />I do listen to the radio a bit, (no, not much conservative talk radio, really; maybe 10% of what I listen to. My radio time totals around 100 minutes a day M-F while driving, so I hear network radio news as much as I hear anything conservative) I also catch a couple newspapers online every day. I have seen/heard some, although not a lot of coverage on this. I think a lot of it is handled by the local media, which is entirely appropriate. How they cover this is, of course is the media's call. (We don't hear THAT much about domestic crime, either, which is FAR more prevalent, I might add. Who is complaining about that?) Maybe the national media can't get many interviews because so many who've gone over there seem to distrust the media so much? I sure wouldn't be very cooperative with the national media if I just had my leg blown off or just lost a buddy. Too often the media was who gave away valuable intelligence in the early battles (especially in the first Gulf war), just by reporting where they were so everyone in the world could figure out what we were doing. Not smart at all. <br /><br />If there wasn't such division in this country right now- engineered by the far left and their media minions IMHO, maybe this whole conflict might have been over by now. A stronger, tougher show of force up front (which the left is so squeamish about regardless of validity of cause or need) would tend to convince many middle-eastern people right away that this terrorism foolishness wouldn't be worth it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.... Or at least treat the disease early and aggressively if you wish to avoid a chronic case of it. Too slow and gentle will be more costly and destructive in the end. So who should really be "sharing" the "blame" then? Those who drug their feet at every opportunity!<br /><br />Had we just been willing to take care of business and keep aggressively cleaning up the hotspots the net result could well have been significantly lower loss of life and injury over all, on both sides. Does the left want less bloodshed or more? Are they really so out of touch that they really think if we go be nice to the terrorists that they'll decide to play fair and be nice back? Jimmy Carter sure seem to still think so. He seems like a very slow learner for such an intelligent man. He means well, but has been proven wrong so many times. And all his friends on Capitol Hill today are just as naive (or blind, or could there even be some bizarre ulterior motive somehow?), but do not have anywhere near the integrity Mr. Carter has, however misguided he may be.<br /><br />If England had kept trying to appease Hitler the way we're trying to appease terrorism then they'd probably be speaking German to this day. It took Churchill to stand up to Hitler, and he had his critics. Now Pres. Bush is standing up to the terrorism which is even more virulent and contagious. Just not as organized, fortunately.(Yet) I don't think Chamberlain played the spoiled brat role during WW2 the way the left has with my president. Britain finally rallied. Will we? We have forgotten 9-11, and think of terrorism as something which only happens in the middle east. Not! Division equals weakness. Weakness invites terrorism. It may have fermented to ripeness eventually anyway, but I can't help believe that 8 years of Clinton policy didn't help set the stage for this. For the life of me I can't figure out why (except for the first amendment applying equally to the twisted as to the good & decent) Kerry is not declared a traitor for spearheading this terrible division within our land. The result will be more death and destruction, not less from his efforts. If elected, our burdens now will seem mild in comparison. (Can you spell TAXES, boys and girls? Can you say "economy gone bad, but others blamed"? Can you say both "extreme" and "inept"?) Indeed, as was correctly pointed out in another thread, this splintering of our fiber was predicted by our founding fathers. They had immense insight, and saw that eventually we might decay from a republic to the form of a weak pure democracy which willingly sacrifices liberty for what is merely "expedient". Where went our backbone, our commitment to Truth, and to individual responsibility?<br /><br />Ironic how we seem to keep forgetting hundreds of thousands of lives WERE saved, if not millions, because Sadam is now behind bars. So much for the humanitarianism of the left. They keep proving that all they really want is a good photo-op where we deliver some food and medicine. Just so long as they don't have to really get dirty or really associate with those who they pretend to care about. (I speak of the politically motivated, not about those who are liberal yet are sincere about truly helping others as evidenced by what they have actually done in their life without fanfare- much more than merely writing a paltry check or signing a petition) But the politically/selfishly minded appear to outnumber the sincere among the real left these days. <br /><br />Ancients long ago wrote that a house divided against itself cannot stand. I sure hope & pray that America wakes up enough to take out more of the trash in Congress instead of allowing the White House to once again become soiled after we spent four years cleaning up the tarnish that was left from the previous eight. Four years cleaning while under constant attack from within as well as outside the nation, I might add. There is absolutely nothing patriotic about the self-righteous, self centered, arrogant elitism as displayed by certain New England senators and too many others of a like mind who redefine truth as easily and frequently as I change my socks. And my day old socks smell better!<br /><br />All the while the utterly corrupt UN criticizes us for unilaterally following through on their threats (required by their sanctions against Iraq), since certain Euro members and others were busy selling nuclear technology behind our backs and otherwise didn't want to get involved with anything other than making noise. How spineless and ineffective! The UN criticizes us for doing what it is supposed to be while the UN looks the other way as Islamic terrorists freely take our aid from the persecuted in the Sudan- and has for the past ten plus years with hardly anyone saying a word anywhere. Our own media suppressed this even. I have not heard anything in the mainstream press about this, although have been hearing of it and have seen a privately produced documentary several years ago. Many millions dead there, but who cares? They're just African christians and tribal groups, right? NOW who is racist? The UN has outlived its usefulness. If I were President the first thing I'd do is withdraw from the UN completely. Probably be the only good thing I'd accomplish, but it would be the first one. Without our massive funding the UN would evaporate overnight. <br /><br />Enough ranting. :eek:
 

12Footer

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Re: War dead and wounded.

What do youy see on your tv every night, Rolmops?<br />Never mind, I allready know, and will now describe the standard netwerk newscast, as they pretain to the war on terror;<br />The top story of the night will be of another car bomb , or an "insurgient" detonating near an Amercian military convoy or buss load of sewer workers. (Notice, they NEVER call 'insurgients' by what they really are, TERRORISTS)--<br />But the reporter on the scene (Some babe with a foriegn accent), is somberly reporting on the confusion, lack of response, grief of those on the scene, and illuding to the effect on Iraqi moral it must be having.<br />NEVER will you hear that the sewer plant was operational again, or the convoy proceded to it's destination after the assault sucessful counter-attacks that elliminated the attackers.<br />In short, you hear the bad news .You hear it every single night, without fail. You have not heard the interum Prime Minister of Iraq's speach in it's entirety, only snippets of what Al Jazeeera WANTS you to hear. You hear a speach from hizhonor, Kerry, about how wrong this war is, how wrong Bush is, how wrong the Iraqi Prime Minister himself is. You wont hear BUsh, just some commentary, if they feel like it, of what he said that may bolster Kerry's speach. But never the facts. They have you, rolmops---heart and soul, the enemy has you, and all thanks to Dan and the boys in the media, and thier more than willing accomplices of the foriegn terrorist media, which keep the visions of hooded men standing over some poor schmuck about to be beheaded on the front burner, and every channel you go to.<br />Understand,rolmops, that most of the military over there have shortwave radios at minimum, and some even have sattelite TV. Sure, most of them seek out FACTUAL broadcasters, with a solid peputation of bringing them the news, without all the propaganda.<br />They seldom tune into NPR, BBC, or Radio Netherlands, going right for VOA, whenever possible.<br />Some things never change, rolmops. Most of these brave men and women, both civilian specialists, and miltary forces alike, are there because they want to help, just as they were in Bosnia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etal.<br />It's easy to find negative BS on the TV. It sells. It serves it's purposes. But it is NOT what is happening over there in the larger scale.When a bomb or a mutant detonates over there, expect cameras to be rolling. Don't look for school opening ceremonies to be broadcast CBS. It won't pass the editor's scissors.<br />But keep praying for your American/Iraqi defeat.<br />God sometimes answers my prayers.
 

rolmops

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Re: War dead and wounded.

Bearcat i do not know whose policy it is either,but I have not seen rehab centers or heard interviews with recuperating and adjusting soldiers.<br />12footer,I don't quite know what my request to send a greeting or a gift to a wounded soldier has to do with your answer.<br />As far as your opinion about me is concerned,as it happens I spend 30 years in the middle east,12 of which were in the israeli army fighting terror on a day to day basis, not on a thread on a computer, but with a gun in my hands.So lay off!!
 

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OK. I will, rolmops, After an appology followed by an explanation. <br />First of all, I'm sorry and I'm hair-triggered.I didn't even read that sentance or if I did, did I comprehend it.<br /><br /><br />And I haven't formed an opinion of you that has changed in any way, until that post, and that opinion was warped. I didn't know your honorable history, nor do I pretend to know what motivates you. I have allways respected and admired your whit and your compassion as you express it here on iboats. And I appolgise for the unwavering stand I take on what we hear from the fronts on the 630pm news. It automatically "politicises" me, and angers me to the point that I rarely sit-thru an entire broadcast.<br />It has to have an effect on you, as it does me and anyone else. And we agree, we all need to show our thanks, and attempt to make a soldier's life more bearable. Like the lady who organised the "air conditioner airlift", giving our guys a break from the 120degree heat, at least, when off-duty.<br />I also appologise for glossing-over your orignal post, and going off on you as I did.I have an extremely short fuse for all things CBS these days.<br />Your request of course, is noble, and everyone should do whatever they are able to do to make thier lives easier.I do help where I can, cutting the niegbor's lawn (his mom is not able and is a single mom with much other stuff to do).<br />There are many ways we can help like that, even if we don't have a great deal of money, by painting thier home, or keeping thier wives' cars running, or whatever.<br />They can allways use air conditioners too.<br />Keeping in mind last week's harping upon the majic mumber of 1000 dead for the oposition proagandists, had my 'short fuse' lit, in retrospect. Again,please forgive me for glossing-over you post, and assuming so much on my own.I'm an idiot.<br /><br />So we still buds?
 

Ralph 123

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Re: War dead and wounded.

In order to get you the images you want rolmops the American correspondence actually have to leave the Baghdad hotels. Very few do. Most just buy tape from Al Arabia and Al Jazeera and pontificate from the rooftops. Of coarse, if they did venture out more often they may actually provide a better sense of what is going on in Iraq as a whole.<br /><br />As far as <br /><br />
rehab centers or heard interviews with recuperating and adjusting soldiers.
If you watch Fox you will see them fairly often. Cavuto had two brave soldiers on the other day. Tony Snow also has them on all the time because he heads up a charity that helps amputees adjust.<br /><br />I know Chrissy Matthews on MSNBC did a lengthy story on the soldiers at Bethesda.<br /><br />It could be you aren't seeing them on the networks for 2 possible reasons: First, ALL of these brave men I have seen, w/o exception, all say the mission is noble, the Iraqi people love them and wounds or not, they want to go back ASAP - not the kind of thing the networks like to hear. Second, it is possible that these guys refuse to let the networks film and interview them because they know their bias and don't want to be used by them to further their agenda....<br /><br />[edit] Did you see the President's speech at the convention? remember the soldier who lost his leg and then went jogging with the President? He is typical of all the men I have seen.
 

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And that is what I first percieved to be the 'jist' of your post, rolmops.<br />There isn't much we can do for those who have given thier lives to the cause, but they might have family. And that is where we as Americans come back into the equation.
 

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Re: War dead and wounded.

The cover up is required because of stupidity of many Americans.<br /><br />If we talk about every death and wounded, all the idiots of the USA that dont realize "war is messy" will begin protesting. For some they were ok when there were only 999 killed, but the 1000th person was killed, that arbitrary number really gets them to go protesting. I for one dont like to see even one person killed there. One, 10, 100, or 1000, I dont like it one bit, but it is the price of war.<br /><br />My point is, if there was more discussion about the dead and wounded, there would be more of an anti-war movement.<br /><br />I ask all of the educated people here to realize this "lack of information" is a neccisary evil.<br /><br />Ken
 

Ralph 123

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You're just looking in the wrong places. Plenty of discussion and interviews in places where the soldiers don't feel exploited. <br /><br />You think the MSM who will run with forged documents to further their agenda would hold back about the dead and wounded?
 
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