Vinyl replacement windows - best brand available to DIY-er?

lakelover

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It use to be Anderson was a good window

What I've "heard" lately is that Andersen is known for an argon leakage issue and moisture getting between the layers of glass. Anyone else?
 

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I replaced my windows in my 1949 house slowly over a couple years. I ripped them out to the framing instead of doing replacements because there was no more than a handful of insulation total around each window. It took a couple hours extra per window but well worth it and I no longer have wood exterior brick molding to paint.

I used special order Anderson Woodright windows from Home Depot. They are the same window series that Renewal by Anderson uses and since they are an Anderson company I have a hard time believing they use junk. They also one of the most popular windows sold at the builder supply centers around here, only cheaper at Home Depot. They run 15% off specials on them pretty regularly so I bought a couple each time they had a sale.

One big reason I went with Anderson is fewer of them would need to be custom sized vs the Pellas. If you're doing replacements there's a pretty good chance that you wont have to order many if any custom sizes but there is a difference between manufacterers in some of the standard sizes offered.
 

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What I've "heard" lately is that Andersen is known for an argon leakage issue and moisture getting between the layers of glass. Anyone else?

I've talked with some people about the argon leakage and most said all the argon will leak out from all of the brands pretty quickly. I've had a couple Andersons in for 5-6 years now and haven't had any problems yet:facepalm:
 

lakelover

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When I did the Pella replacement years ago, I did have to custom order the size. This time around I want to buy pretty much off the shelf if I can. As far as the argon goes, leakage does seem possible and even likely to me, but I'm more concerned with the moisture problem.

My BIL built his house in 1973 with Andersen windows and in the last few years has replaced most or of all of them. Not sure what his issue was.
 

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EZ, what is it about you and me and paint? :D You hate Pettit, I like it. you say Glidden is garbage. I just finished painting two rooms with Glidden Premium, one white and one medium green, both went on great and covered in one coat, no dripping etc.:)

I haven't used it in many years. Plus I'm sure everyone's premium product is pretty darn good nowadays. I've actually have pretty good luck with paint from just about everywhere. Sears, Wal-Mart, Lowes, Home Depot.
 

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If you are going to install them your self, and you buy them from one of the big box stores, spring for the extra cash and have the store come out and measure. That way there won't be a problem if one of the windows shows up and it doesn't fit. If you measure and someone down the line keys something into the system wrong you may be stuck buying another window.

When the windows at my sister in laws house were replaced they had the store measure. You guessed it, two came in the wrong size and the store initially told them you ordered the wrong size and will need buy two new ones. When they produced the paperwork showing that the store did the measuring the two windows were ordered on the stores dime.
 

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I think seeing two professionals with such different opinions shows how subjective the answers are that we get to these type of questions. Everyone has their favorite or has personal experiences, bad or good.

I have installed many windows. Most seem like you get what you pay for. Most manufactures/brands have different priced models for differing budgets and types of customers.

I also used to do a fair amount of service work. While most of the windows I worked on were built by the same manufacturer, they also had their different models and price ranges. I would consider the lower end windows average quality, and the more expensive ones above average, better than big box store custom vinyl windows that I've seen.

What i found was that the glass in the windows is the same. Some are triple pane, rated at r-10 insulation value, which have a market in cold climates like mine, and most are double at r-4. Argon and other gases are used as well as "low-e" coatings to try to make the window more efficient. All these variables add to the price of the windows. Some of the windows had insulation added into the framework of the window and some added thin aluminum tubing to add stiffness and strength. More variables.

The service work was more telling, imo. Most of the service work was replacing the glass due to seal failure between the panes of glass, which is just a given that some seals are just going to fail, a very small percentage if you will. Some homes would have multiple failures, some just one, and some non. Most reputable manufacturers offer long warranties on the sealed glass because it is prone to leakage and just an unfortunate common occurrence. there was no difference whether the window was their top of the line or low end, the seals still failed.

The other thing that i found doing the service work, was that there were a lot of hardware issues. Most of which were user error, and after a couple years, I could tell the customers what they did to break the part before they described the action. So i would have to give them a quick tutorial on how not to damage the window hardware. Some windows have a lot more moving parts than others, depending on the style of the window. A broken part can make a nice window useless if it doesn't open/close.

When I buy windows now, knowing what I know, I tend to look at the hardware. I've seen just as many broken metal parts as plastic so that doesn't seem to matter either. I try to look simple functioning parts, not too elaborate or quirky.

Maybe that helps the op...
 

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All good advice.

I knew this was sort of a Ford/Chevy, Merc/JE question, but was more interested in experiences, which I'm getting lots of!

I guess what I'll have to do is research the best combination of features for energy efficiency, features and ratings/warranties, read the reviews, and get the best deal I can on that combination, whatever the mfr. might be.

I appreciate all those with window experience sharing what they know, it's all ver helpful!
 

lakelover

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It's getting to be about time to make a move.

I have a relative who owns a contractor supply company. They sell Earthwise replacement windows by PVC Industries.

Anyone have any experieince or opinions on those?
 

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If you're going to take advantage of any state or federal energy or tax rebate programs, look carefully at the window qualification requirements. I thought that my new windows qualified for a state program but didn't since the "u value" was lowered from adding dividers between the panes.
 

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There's Seaway windows in Erie, PA, but you're probably pretty far from there.
 

lakelover

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I ended up going with Earthwise Eclipse windows by PVC Industries. With all the opinions and reviews out there, it was just about inmpossible to make a definitive choice. So I went with what my cousin sells at his building supply company, 3 double hung, double glazed foam filled for $573 (includes tax). I installed the first one this morning in a couple hours, it went in really easy & they looked well designed to me. I'm sure the next two will go quicker now that I've figured out the design "technology" of my early 50's style ones & how to remove them without wrecking the frame.

http://www.earthwisewindows.com/replacement-products/eclipse-double-hung-series/
 
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