Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

oasisman

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My plug vibrated out and I sank my boat this Memorial day on my maiden voyage with my 1961 seamaid 16 foot fiberglass boat. The water was 50 degrees and my 3 sons and I including my 7 year old son had to swim 150 yards to the dock. I never want that to happen again. I was looking at floatation options and was wondering if anyone has ever used milk jugs placed under the deck in the hull to make the boat unsinkable. The boat weighs about 400 lbs and I have an area of about 60 square feet where I can put the jugs under the deck in the hull. Any ideas or comments would be appreciated.
thanks,
Paul Gilson
Rochester NY:)
 

Pez Vela

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Well, the Plastiki's multi-hills were constructed from plastic soda bottles, and it floated just fine. I think you hit the newbie trifecta ... (1) maiden voyage, (2) Memorial Day, and (3) forgot to put the drain plug in the boat. Probably not a boating first, but very impressive. Glad your family made it safely to shore. Did everyone have their PFD's (life jackets) on? Don't tell me you went 4-for-4?
 

oasisman

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

My 7 year old had his on and myself and my 2 adult sons did not. No one will ever be allowed on my boat without wearing one. When things happen they happen fast. I had my life vest under my arm. The ambulance said every Memorial day for the last 4 years one person drown each year exactly where my boat sank, and this year 4 of us were saved. Thank God for watching out over us. 50 degree water takes everything out of you quick. I almost didnt make it to the dock.
thanks,
Paul
 

greenbush future

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

I wouldn't trust my life to some milk jug that may or may not hold air. If you are going to do it, I would recomend using a product that is designed to go under the floor and not fail. You can by product that is designed to stay dry and will fit under the floor for really cheap. Check out the resoration section for exact stuff to use.
So were you able to recover your boat? and was everyone OK?
 

oasisman

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Yeah , Its cost 1600 to get the boat towed in. The bow stuck out about 2 ft above the water. So now I have 2500 invested in a boat I got for 900. But I did get a great deal though. 900 for the boat and trailer. The boat is a 15 ft 1961 Seamaid with a 40 hp Johnson motor. Its all in great shape with a new deck and carpet. Just need to get it re gelcoated to look new.
Paul
 

amdburner

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Buy a 2-gallon 2lb density foam kit from US Composites and be done with it. It is not worth your life. I am foaming my rebuild right now and it is cake working with this stuff. Beats the fiberglassing portion of the rebuild by a million miles.
 

oasisman

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

what do i do tip the bow down mix it and just keep pouring until the whole hull under the deck is filled up? I looked at the boat again and under the deck it is 12 ft long by 4 ft wide and about 4 to five inches deep. Do you think that will be enough foam to stop my boat from ever sinking again?
thanks,
Paul
 

jasoutside

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Nah, forget milk jugs. Or any other plastic container for that matter. It would be a gigantic pain to fit them in that kind of space.

Blue/pink foam board works well especially in the drainage department.

Pour in is good if you provide for drainage or completely, totally seal it off from any water going sub deck. Both difficult things to do.
 

jigngrub

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

You can use milk jugs, but only the USCG rated milk jugs... but they haven't invented those yet.

Seriously though, I will echo the 2 part expanding urethane foam. I have it in my boat and it's the best stuff you can get!

It's looks easy to work with and there are a lot of video tutorials on youtube like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LZcZXu68Q&NR=1 Watch a bunch of them and decide for yourself.


Some people say it's expensive, but can you put a price on your life and the lives of your loved ones?... it's actually cheap life insurance.
 

Yacht Dr.

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

I think you need to take a Boat Safety Course ..

300' off the boat ramp is a bit far to realize you forgot ( or mis-tightened ) your drain plug IMHO ..

YD.
 

roscoe

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Yeah , Its cost 1600 to get the boat towed in. The bow stuck out about 2 ft above the water. So now I have 2500 invested in a boat I got for 900. But I did get a great deal though. 900 for the boat and trailer. The boat is a 15 ft 1961 Seamaid with a 40 hp Johnson motor. Its all in great shape with a new deck and carpet. Just need to get it re gelcoated to look new.
Paul

I can't believe that no good samaritan wouldn't have towed it in for free.
I sure would have. Well, I'd at least have gotten it to 3 feet of water.

Glad you all survived.
 

Sharp Shooter

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

I've seen people use inner tubes. Put them in first then air 'em up. Cheap and easy.
 

Robert D

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

I think I have to weigh in on this subject. When I tore apart my '72 Reinell and found the saturated foam.....several hundred pounds......as well as the rotted wood......I did a lot of research. Even talked with several people at the Coast Guard Station in Newport, Oregon. There is a diference between what is 'by the book' and what is safe. 'By the book' is what boat manufacturers do for Coast Guard approval. It means when the boat is new, it won't sink......for a while anyway. The old foam we know is garbage. The closed cell foam....well, it just lasts longer, but you still end up with water that can't go anywhere, which equals rotted stringers/deck and more weight. (which will help you sink faster!) Before I went with my own theory and design, I talked it over with a few Coast Guard people. (They are the ones that explained the difference referenced above.) They also said that although my design couyldn't be Coast Guard Approved until it passed the necessary tests that manufacturers use......every one of them said if it was there boat, they would skip the foam and do what I had planned. (And make sure later owners know)

The design is simple. Every 24" in length, on the outside of the stringers, a chamber is created. So I have 9of these on each side. At the lowest level in each, I drilled a 1/2" hole through the stringer, filled with an epoxy/glass fiber mix....and redrilled to fit a 3/8" plastic pipe. Sealed in with 5200. The drain pipes are all routed to the rear bilge area, going through another bulhead that seals of the center section.....which has its' own small drain to the bilge area. The idea here is that 1) Any chamber that gets compromised will drain the water to where the bilge pump is, triggerring it to pump. 2) The pipe is small enough that a large rush of water is not possible. A hull rupture is no longer a fast sinking. I calculate I'd need to tear through 7 adjacent sections.....but even then, only those chambers would flood...the boat would simply lean a bit.
The back up is up under the gunwales. They are packed with as much foam, if not more, that what could be held under the deck. Easy to keep an eye on, to replace if needed......and in the event the whole hull is torn open the whole length and flooded, it's more than enough to keep the boat not only floating, but upright as well. (You'd be sitting in it up to your chest likely....but you'd be afloat!) I took the boat for the Coast Guard guys to check it out after I was done, along with pics of the construction......they said their personal opinion was that it far exceeds the requirements, and too bad they can't give an 'official certification.' The most difficult part was taping cardboard under the gunwales so the foam would be at a certain level. A few holes in the glass to fix, so you want to do this before final finishing/painting. As it is now, I wouldn't worry about a huge wave swamping the boat, or hitting a submerged tree stump.
 

boaterinsd

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

I picture is worth a thousand words and might be a good option for this, something to visualize. IMO
 
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boaterinsd

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

My 7 year old had his on and myself and my 2 adult sons did not. No one will ever be allowed on my boat without wearing one. When things happen they happen fast. I had my life vest under my arm. The ambulance said every Memorial day for the last 4 years one person drown each year exactly where my boat sank, and this year 4 of us were saved. Thank God for watching out over us. 50 degree water takes everything out of you quick. I almost didnt make it to the dock.
thanks,
Paul
Glad to hear you and the boys made it to safety. Its all replaceable or fixable after that, right.
And I'd also say stay away from plastic jugs.
 

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

The design is simple. Every 24" in length, on the outside of the stringers, a chamber is created. So I have 9of these on each side. At the lowest level in each, I drilled a 1/2" hole through the stringer, filled with an epoxy/glass fiber mix....and redrilled to fit a 3/8" plastic pipe. Sealed in with 5200. The drain pipes are all routed to the rear bilge area, going through another bulhead that seals of the center section.....which has its' own small drain to the bilge area. The idea here is that 1) Any chamber that gets compromised will drain the water to where the bilge pump is, triggerring it to pump. 2) The pipe is small enough that a large rush of water is not possible. A hull rupture is no longer a fast sinking. I calculate I'd need to tear through 7 adjacent sections.....but even then, only those chambers would flood...the boat would simply lean a bit.
The back up is up under the gunwales. They are packed with as much foam, if not more, that what could be held under the deck. Easy to keep an eye on, to replace if needed......and in the event the whole hull is torn open the whole length and flooded, it's more than enough to keep the boat not only floating, but upright as well. (You'd be sitting in it up to your chest likely....but you'd be afloat!) I took the boat for the Coast Guard guys to check it out after I was done, along with pics of the construction......they said their personal opinion was that it far exceeds the requirements, and too bad they can't give an 'official certification.' The most difficult part was taping cardboard under the gunwales so the foam would be at a certain level. A few holes in the glass to fix, so you want to do this before final finishing/painting. As it is now, I wouldn't worry about a huge wave swamping the boat, or hitting a submerged tree stump.

When you can design a floatation system that will let you launch without your plug in and never get your deck wet, then you'll have something.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

Just so we're all on the same page.....

The flotation we're talking about adding is meant to make it so if swamped, your boat does this
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instead of sinking like a stone to the bottom. There's little you can do to make float much better than this if swamped. Of course this is still better than the alternative, you have something to hold onto, and salvage is easier.

For fiberglass boats, the most common flotation used by members here is the previously mentioned pourable foam. Other options include the pink or blue construction sheet foam from Lowes/Home Depot http://picasaweb.google.com/pacerdude/EntireDeckReplacement89Celebrity224se#5305852018165355202 or pool noodles
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2378.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2383.jpg

On aluminum hulls, many of us have opted for one of the alternatives to pourable foam as we've seen some corrosion issues caused by waterlogged expanding foam.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

With all due respect EZ, there are quite a few boats on the market today that will float a lot better than that.

This is not the boat he has. I'm aware of the "unsinkable" boats like whalers and what not.
 

jasoutside

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Re: Using milk jugs as under deck floatation device

With all due respect EZ, there are quite a few boats on the market today that will float a lot better than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHPt_q539is&feature=related

OP doesn't have a Key West Boat. He has a Sea Maid and by the sounds of it he'll be handling the rebuild, probably in his garage, probably on a limited budget. The folks over at Key West likely have the best equipment/materials/conditions to build boats.

Edit: One step behind ya EZ
 
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