Turbo Honda ENGINE for I/O

[longstand]

crasy. but i think its possible...

why use volvo. what use OMC. what use Merc..

Why not honda.. why... can i just put a honda engine and connect it to the Outdrive. like the Alpa. or the bravo??

anyone has ever done this??

 

[bruceb58]

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You are right its crazy. First of all you have little or no low end torque. You can't have a turbo in a boat unless it is water cooled. You need water cooled exhaust...

...the list goes on.

 

[longstand]

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if i ever hit a lottory. or get a great job with alot of extra money. i will do this as a project. i think its possible.

 

[bruceb58]

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Of all motors, why would you want to use a Honda motor?

 

[Thajeffski]

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I have a turbo engine in my jetski.......kicks ***......I bet it'd be awesome in a boat!!

 

[Aviator5]

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You are right its crazy. First of all you have little or no low end torque. You can't have a turbo in a boat unless it is water cooled. You need water cooled exhaust...

...the list goes on.

Probably Wright brothers used to hear something similar before they did it.

 

[45Auto]

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I have a turbo engine in my jetski.......kicks ***......I bet it'd be awesome in a boat!!

It would be just as awesome in a boat as any other engine of equal max horsepower. The boat doesn't know what kind of engine the HP is coming from. If your jetski has the 165HP turbo motor and you put it in a boat (with a properly geared outdrive or intermediate gearbox), it would be only a little slower than your typical 180 HP Mercruiser or Volvo carbureted V6. But it would take it a lot longer to get to that slightly lower top speed since it doesn't have the low end torque to accelerate the boat like the V6.

You would also need an intermediate gear box or custom outdrive with special gear ratios. Typical outdrives are designed to operate at about 5000 RPM. Your turbocharged Honda probably isn't making enough power to get the boat to plane at 5000 RPM.

It you want to build a boat with the highest top speed possible, with the smallest engine possible, for the most money possible, then your idea is excellent. But your boat will be a real dog on acceleration, much more expensive to maintain, and only slightly slower than all your buddies V6 boats ....

This Popular Mechanic's test summary of Honda jet skis points out the differences in the normally aspirated vs the turbo version:

The normally aspirated 125-hp F-12 accelerates more quickly than the turbo until midrange, has a low-pitched exhaust note and tops out around 60 mph. The turbocharged 165-hp F-12X is a little slower off the mark, makes a high-pitched turbo whine and tops out around 70 mph. Day in and day out, the F-12 is probably the more pleasant machine. But the turbo F-12X is Mister Excitement.

Probably Wright brothers used to hear something similar before they did it.

I don't think anyone doubts that it is possible to put a small turbocharged engine that makes equal max HP to a V6 or V8 into a boat. The question is why would you want to do it unless you're racing your boat in a class that has specific displacement limits? A bigger, normally aspirated engine of the same max HP inherently has much more torque available at low RPM. To get the smaller turbo engine to perform equally would require some kind of gear box or transmission to keep the engine in it's powerband as it accelerates the boat. It's much cheaper and less mechanically complex to just use the bigger motor. When you can buy a complete V8 that will reliably make 300 HP for thousands of hours for less than $2000, it's hard to justify the Honda turbo option unless you just like spending money.

 

[fixb52s]

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Probably Wright brothers used to hear something similar before they did it.

They had Honda engines back then? lol

 

[Maclin]

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if i ever hit a lottory. or get a great job with alot of extra money. i will do this as a project. i think its possible.

I would buy a lakehouse with a garage for all my new cars then buy whatever boat(s) I wanted with whatever engine(s) I wanted and hit the lake with my new found time..........

 

[Aviator5]

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I would buy a lakehouse with a garage for all my new cars then buy whatever boat(s) I wanted with whatever engine(s) I wanted and hit the lake with my new found time..........

This is an exellent approach

 

[longstand]

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Sh!ttttt. iam just saying.. honda make turbo engine for jetski. and honda is the most reliable engine out there.

i think honda should think about a division for making engine for big boats. i think people will buy them. everyone know that honda is the most reliable engine and the most eco-friend out there..

check out this image.
its a BMW MARINE.. SH!ttttt. if bmw make engine for boat. why not honda..

ok.. i get it.

Honda ALso has V6 Engine. without turbo . some engine has about 250HP. and enougth torqe to push a big boat..

 

[Maclin]

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Honda seems to be pretty smart, and are keeping to outboards right now. I would ask them what they are waiting for

 

[45Auto]

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honda is the most reliable engine out there.

everyone know that honda is the most reliable engine

And just what makes you think that ????

Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. Do you have ANY kind of real data to support your opinion?

If I recall correctly, Yamaha rated tops in outboard engine reliability, and Toyota was the top rated brand for automotive reliability. I'm sure Honda rated pretty well in both categories, but they're nowhere near the level you seem to think they are. Yamaha tried to get into the I/O market about 10 years ago. Their outdrive effort lasted 2 or 3 years at the most I think before they quit selling them.

EDIT: Heres the 2008 outboard rankings:

Outboard DI two-stroke segment
Mercury leads in the outboard DI two-stroke segment for a third consecutive year, with slight improvements in engine quality since the 2007 study. Evinrude closely follows Mercury in the segment. Transmission issues and stalling are the most frequently reported problems within the outboard DI two-stroke segment. However, two owner-reported problems, major engine failure and engine runs rough, have the most negative impact on overall satisfaction. Only 4 percent of owners experience either of these two problems.

Outboard EFI four-stroke segment
Yamaha ranks highest in the outboard EFI four-stroke segment, performing particularly well in engine reliability. Yamaha is followed closely by Honda and Suzuki, respectively. Among all outboard technologies, four-stroke EFI engines have a particularly low number of reported problems (56 PP100). Among those owners who experience problems, those involving engine transmission are the most frequently reported.

From:

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2008021.pdf

Edit again;

Honda tied for 6th in the 2009 "Powertrain Reliability" rankings. They tied with BMW, Hyundai, Lincoln, Mercury, Porsche, and Suburu. The top 5 (tied) were Toyota, Lexus, Jaguar, Infiniti, Buick and Acura (expensive Honda).

In overall dependibility the top 5 were Buick, Jaguar, Lexus, Toyota and Mercury. Honda and Acura were both down the list tied for 6th with 4 or 5 other brands.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/rating...and/sortcolumn-2/descending/page-#page-anchor

 

[fixb52s]

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Sh!ttttt. iam just saying.. honda make turbo engine for jetski. and honda is the most reliable engine out there.

i think honda should think about a division for making engine for big boats. i think people will buy them. everyone know that honda is the most reliable engine and the most eco-friend out there..​

check out this image.​

its a BMW MARINE.. SH!ttttt. if bmw make engine for boat. why not honda..​

ok.. i get it.​

Honda ALso has V6 Engine. without turbo . some engine has about 250HP. and enougth torqe to push a big boat..​

Ya de ya de ya.....​

We could start a new "Ricer" section here. With those mAd tItE YO VEETEK best engines in the world, the boat industry would never be the same. Of course, it's all crap now, but your Honduhs can save the world!​

So are you also whining on the NASA site telling them they need to install these awsome Honda engines on the new moon rocket? They just might make it off the pad with a fair amount of stickers all over it.​

Leave the Fast and Furious garbage at high school chat groups and to the other children who think they are the "Sh!ttt" and can't spell or make a sentence without a cuss word.​

I will give you credit though. You did find the right subforum to put this in.​

 

[longstand]

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Ya de ya de ya.....​

We could start a new "Ricer" section here. With those mAd tItE YO VEETEK best engines in the world, the boat industry would never be the same. Of course, it's all crap now, but your Honduhs can save the world!​

So are you also whining on the NASA site telling them they need to install these awsome Honda engines on the new moon rocket? They just might make it off the pad with a fair amount of stickers all over it.​

Leave the Fast and Furious garbage at high school chat groups and to the other children who think they are the "Sh!ttt" and can't spell or make a sentence without a cuss word.​

I will give you credit though. You did find the right subforum to put this in.​

LOL. hey.jezz i just like the Sh!tt Work ok.. i was just saying. I like honda.. the majority of my car was honda. i had ford. suck. i had many car from many different makes and model and honda was the best.

like that guy above said.. everyone has a AzZhole. he sure has one.. but i have my own.. i just preffer Honda. i think there very reliable. and the parts are cheap..

Look. i have an OMC engine. its actually GM. i think. the engine is strong and good. but damm. everything in this OMC marine application is very expensive. i could have purchase a use Honda with that money i have already spent..

This is my TWO=CENTS.. like it or not. LOL

NO. iam not a ricer.. heheh.. i just like Honda. and toyota and bmw.. but honda is the most reliable... i guest its all up to the owner. of how he maintain the engine..

but i the most i like about honda is parts is cheap..

in other hand..

bmw parts is very expensive. but they will last longer than honda. plus bmw parts is very very well built. meaning they make there part last..

 

[lombard]

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bmw parts is very expensive. but they will last longer than honda. plus bmw parts is very very well built. meaning they make there part last..

Yet honda is the most reliable........

To be more serious, the outdrives of OMC, Mercruiser, and Volvo are about all those manufacturers make (made). The engines are built by actual engine builders (GM, Ford, etc). It takes a lot to get an engine rated for marine use. Electronics and water don't mix too well. And current technology auto engines require a lot of computing power to do what they do.

As for your OMC being expensive to maintain, it's because they're out of business. Out of business means they no longer support their products. Which means no certifying product for repairs and maintenance. Volvo and Mercruiser maintenance is much cheaper...

 

[longstand]

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Yet honda is the most reliable........

To be more serious, the outdrives of OMC, Mercruiser, and Volvo are about all those manufacturers make (made). The engines are built by actual engine builders (GM, Ford, etc). It takes a lot to get an engine rated for marine use. Electronics and water don't mix too well. And current technology auto engines require a lot of computing power to do what they do.

As for your OMC being expensive to maintain, it's because they're out of business. Out of business means they no longer support their products. Which means no certifying product for repairs and maintenance. Volvo and Mercruiser maintenance is much cheaper...

Your correct.. did not even think about that.. make senses to me.. limited part. which mean hard to find. which also mean. more expensive

 

[fixb52s]

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NO. iam not a ricer.. heheh.. i just like Honda. and toyota and bmw..
bmw parts is very expensive. but they will last longer than honda. plus bmw parts is very very well built. meaning they make there part last..

Well I own 2 BMWs, and I can say that BMW parts are not as well built as you might think.​

I also know how to use proper grammer, capitalize words where required and sentence structure. Maybe if you did, more people would take you serious and not raz you like I did. lol I just funning with ya.

 

[Thajeffski]

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This Popular Mechanic's test summary of Honda jet skis points out the differences in the normally aspirated vs the turbo version:

Whoever wrote that Pop Mechanics article was either not going by GPS speed or never rode one. OR HE/SHE was going by gps riding on a river with a 6-7 mph current and took the reading then.

I have a stage II honda R12X that wont hit 67 on water that is glass flat with 140lb rider on it.

Stock speeds are 62/63 for the F12X and 59/60 for the F12.

Also, I have raced both non turbo versions of the R12 and the F12 (2 seater/3seater) and the turbo beats it in EVERYTHING, Always. Whoever wrote that obviously didn't ride one, or compare them in the real world. Just fyi

 

[Thajeffski]

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Well I own 2 BMWs, and I can say that BMW parts are not as well built as you might think.​

I also know how to use proper grammer, capitalize words where required and sentence structure. Maybe if you did, more people would take you serious and not raz you like I did. lol I just funning with ya.

The newer bmw's really are horrible - my friend works on them all day and he will NEVER own one w/ the amount of stupid little problems they have.