Trim operation question

john crowe

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Re: Trim operation question

Just got back from the lake. At WOT im turning right at, or slightly above 4000 and by GPS im doing around 30-32mph
 

thrasher

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Re: Trim operation question

At that speed you should be on plane!! Did the nose come down or stay in the air?

Gary
 

john crowe

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Re: Trim operation question

At that speed you should be on plane!! Did the nose come down or stay in the air?

Gary

Maybe it is....i dont know. Just seems to me to be in the air more then it should. Maybe i should get someone to video me and look at it from the other view
 

QC

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Re: Trim operation question

It's on plane at 32 MPH. A flippin' houseboat would be on plane at 32 MPH . . . There's no way that is a 13 inch pitch prop. Did you try trimming up (front of engine down) at that speed? I'll bet she gains 5 MPH . . .
 

freddyray21

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To QC as in my post I recommend the same thing see if the engine is doing what is should first and you are so correct. I think from reading his latest post he is not sure what plane is. The entire bow will not be in the water as it is when you are just idling. That is called plowing not planing. There will be some air between the bow and the water. In fact when you trim for speed less of the bow is in the water. It should come over enough for you to see over the windsheild.
 

john crowe

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It's on plane at 32 MPH. A flippin' houseboat would be on plane at 32 MPH . . . There's no way that is a 13 inch pitch prop. Did you try trimming up (front of engine down) at that speed? I'll bet she gains 5 MPH . . .

that is with "front of engine down"

It is stamped on the prop "13 pitch" and the part number stamped on it refers to a 13 pitch prop. Could i get more speed by changing the prop slightly?
 

QC

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OK the reason I am totally struggling with 13 pitch is your speed and RPM numbers. A propeller theoretically goes forward in one revolution the "distance" of your pitch. This theoretical part is based on it going through a solid, which of course, water is not . . . Imagine a cork screw driving into a cork, you spin it once 360 degrees and it travels through the cork so far, that is pitch. However, again, water is not a solid, so it cannot get 100% of its "pitch" in forward motion, it "slips" some. The amount of that slippage is called "slip". OK, it is basically impossible to have no slip, many boats have as much as 20%, some down near 8%, which is outstanding.

OK with the above noted, your OMC 400 with a 4 cyl 140 bhp engine should have a 1.71 gear ratio. The fact is that with a 1.71 ratio and 4000 RPM, and a 13 inch prop, and 32 MPH result, you would have to have a negative slip number. Basically the boat is going farther than 13 inches with each revolution of the propeller. This is more impossible than no slip . . . So like really impossible. So one or more of our numbers is/are wrong. Either the tach is wrong, or the ratio has been changed, or the pitch is higher, or the GPS is wrong. Out of all of this, I trust the GPS the most . . . I would check the tach with a "shop" tach first. If the numbers are correct, then that pitch is at least 16 inches . . .
 

Maclin

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Re: Trim operation question

One boater had a similar problem in a 26 foot cabin cruiser, bow up and just would not plane. He had owned the boat before and it cruised fine then. The new owner did not use it much, then when he tried to use it the problem showed up. The big block engine ran great, trim worked but no joy, the boat just plowed thru the water with the bow up in the air. The problem ended up being a slipping prop hub. New prop fixed the problem. Just another thing to consider.

But weigh it for sure to eliminate the waterlogged condition as a contributing factor. For you and your wallet's sake I hope it is something more like the prop.....!!!
 

john crowe

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Re: Trim operation question

ill verify the RPM using a mechanics tach

Ill also verify weight to check for possible waterlogged. I dont think this will bea problem since it sits even and high in the water...and mph is what the factory suggests it should be for this model. Ill check all and get back with you all

thanks for the help
 
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