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The Force power

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Check for continuity on blue & green wires to brushes = good
Power applied to either wire, Motor not turning is the ground-path through shaft not there?
 

guy48065

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I thought the motor was powered thru the brushes only--no ground. The relay swaps the polarity.
 

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Actually it depends on whether the PTT motor is a 2 wire or 3 wire motor. Three wire motors use solenoids to provide power to either the green or blue wires. A center-winding ground completes either the up or down circuit. The non-energized solenoid is open.

2 wire PTT motors use relays that provide ground when not energized and power when energized. This reverses polarity on the PTT motor.

So what motor do you have, and do you have relays (look like plastic cubes, 5 wires or so) or solenoids (look like starter solenoid, 4 wires)?
 

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Fun Fact: My old 2-wire T&T system doesn't use solenoids or relays......Heavy gauge wire is run directly from battery to a switch on the dash, then 2 heavy gauge wires run from switch to the motor. Old school design that has never failed since new in 1978. (y)
 

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The relays only control the power supply to either green or blue wire - one wire to each brush
Power is supplied to both green and blue wires to power the motor. The motor reverses based on which wire gets the positive and negative from the battery through two independent relays. The two relays does the switching depending on the Up and Down T&T switch. No electrical connection to ground. The T&T switch only activates or energized each of the relay at a time. The relay does the connection to the positive battery power depending which relay is energized.
When the system is not energized or activated, both green and blue wires are connected to the negative terminal wires (in each of their own relays. There are 2 separate relays) in the relays' normally close (NC) contacts. When a relay is energized by the switch selector, e.g. in the Up position, the "Up" relay (with blue wire connection) activates disconnecting the blue wire from ground (NC terminal) and connecting it to the positive terminal wire (normally open terminal). Thus the blue wire gets positive connection while the green stays connected to negative terminal wire (in the Down relay), energizing the motor (actually in this configuration the motor turns clockwise).
The same operation when the selector switch is depressed in the Down position, the "Down" relay (with green wire connection) gets energized and activates to disconnect the green wire from the NC (negative wire connection) contact to the positive terminal wire (NO) terminal, while the blue wire stays connected to the negative terminal wire in the Up relay. Thus energizing the motor CCW.
 

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Power is supplied to both green and blue wires to power the motor. The motor reverses based on which wire gets the positive and negative from the battery through two independent relays. The two relays does the switching depending on the Up and Down T&T switch. No electrical connection to ground. The T&T switch only activates or energized each of the relay at a time. The relay does the connection to the positive battery power depending which relay is energized.
When the system is not energized or activated, both green and blue wires are connected to the negative terminal wires (in each of their own relays. There are 2 separate relays) in the relays' normally close (NC) contacts. When a relay is energized by the switch selector, e.g. in the Up position, the "Up" relay (with blue wire connection) activates disconnecting the blue wire from ground (NC terminal) and connecting it to the positive terminal wire (normally open terminal). Thus the blue wire gets positive connection while the green stays connected to negative terminal wire (in the Down relay), energizing the motor (actually in this configuration the motor turns clockwise).
The same operation when the selector switch is depressed in the Down position, the "Down" relay (with green wire connection) gets energized and activates to disconnect the green wire from the NC (negative wire connection) contact to the positive terminal wire (NO) terminal, while the blue wire stays connected to the negative terminal wire in the Up relay. Thus energizing the motor CCW.
Yes, I was wrong with this motor
 

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Actually it depends on whether the PTT motor is a 2 wire or 3 wire motor. Three wire motors use solenoids to provide power to either the green or blue wires. A center-winding ground completes either the up or down circuit. The non-energized solenoid is open.

2 wire PTT motors use relays that provide ground when not energized and power when energized. This reverses polarity on the PTT motor.

So what motor do you have, and do you have relays (look like plastic cubes, 5 wires or so) or solenoids (look like starter solenoid, 4 wires)?
Hi Chris, I have both (have a few Force motors sitting here) I made my statement based on my previous trim motors. Sorry guys I got confused
 

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Fun Fact: My old 2-wire T&T system doesn't use solenoids or relays......Heavy gauge wire is run directly from battery to a switch on the dash, then 2 heavy gauge wires run from switch to the motor. Old school design that has never failed since new in 1978. (y)
A toggle switch
 

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Three wire motors use solenoids to provide power to either the green or blue wires. A center-winding ground completes either the up or down circuit.
Here's the story;
I bought a 1987 Doral Spirit with a 125hp. Force and it came with a spare 125hp.
Neither trim motor worked and I was doing a quick trouble shooting why not. hence the misdiagnosing.
last night I took the three-wire motor apart to see why it is not working & learned it is build different as you said. (no magnet but center winding to magnetize the steel.
That's what makes the forum such a great place so I & many others get the push in the right direction.
Thanks to all for your continuing support
 

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last night I took the three-wire motor apart to see why it is not working & learned it is build different as you said. (no magnet but center winding to magnetize the steel.
Update;
Found the "overload" tap/contact had broken off & was able to re-attach with a tiny rivet.
Cleaned the armature & rust off the spool / oiled the shaft and she spinning/pumping as it should
 
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