Trick ski question

[oldjeep]

Couple probabally simple questions. I picked up this used trick ski for me and the kids to mess around with. Tried it out today with ok results.
- which foot is supposed to go forward with the bindings set like this? My kid thought left foot, but with the angle of the rear there was no way I could crank my bad ankle that far. I went up right foot forward and got up on it, but had a ton of balance issues since I ski left foot forward.

Any issues with remounting the rear so that it is straight like a slalom ski? I've seen a few online that seem to be set up like that.

Thanks
Mine


One I found online with the bindings set straight

 

[sangerwaker]

Re: Trick ski question

That would be pretty uncomfortable right foot forward. I also agree it's for left foot forward. Most pairs come with one slalom binding each way.

http://www.lakeelmosports.com/images/P/2012 Pro Trac (LO-RES).jpg

I see no issues changing it, but i'd put some epoxy in the old mounting holes to stop it from getting water into the ski and possibly delaminating.

 

[bikerdib]

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The ski is set up for left foot forward. You put your left foot in then the right foot should go in from the back similar to on a slalom except the rear foot is at a slight angle. It is set up that way for 90 and 180 degree surface tricks. Remember you have to ride with about 90 percent or more of your weight on the front foot. In fact during a foothold pass you would have only the front foot on the ski. I have never seen anyone set up a single trick like in the picture of the combos. You could turn the rear if necessary. You would epoxy the old screw holes then carefully drill new holes making sure not to go too deep. As shown in the picure, I don't understand how you got in right foot forward. Were you trying to put your rear foot in from the front of the binding?

 

[sickwilly]

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Its left foot forward, but that back toe is not at enough of an angle, in my opinion. Who ever had that board before must have had long feet. I would crank it over more.

 

[bikerdib]

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Its left foot forward, but that back toe is not at enough of an angle, in my opinion. Who ever had that board before must have had long feet. I would crank it over more.

I'm thinking the previous ski owner placed a lot of weight on their rear foot thus the binding placement.

 

[bikerdib]

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Oldjeep, I'd like to see a picture of how you managed to put your feet in with right foot forward.

 

[oldjeep]

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Sure, its comfortable like this and it was easy enough to ski on. If I switch to the other direction I can't do it - partly because of an ankle I broke that doesn't rotate any more. I think I'll just yank the binding and put it inline with the front one

Here is left foot forward - that hurts like hell

 

[skibrain]

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I'm not much of a trick skier, but I understand the angle-mount rear toe strap makes it easier to bend knees, stay low and provide more edge control assistance with the rear foot. Many of the trick pairs sold now each have a rear toe strap, One RRF, the other LLF. Not sure if the straight-mount rear toe will give you the control you need. That said, a single trick ski feels pretty darn uncontrollable regardless. Good luck

 

[bikerdib]

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You shoiuld bend your knees a lot more and put more weight on the front foot than it looks llike you are in the bottom picture.

Stand on your left foot and place your right behind (like it would be in the ski). Can you turn your right foot at more of an angle to your left foot (like it would be pointing off the ski more)? If so, you could turn the rear binding for more of an angle.

Do you normally stand "pigeon toe"? That would explain things. I stand duck footed (toes pointed out slightly). I don't think I'd be able to get into the bindings like you did with the right foot forward.

 

[sickwilly]

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You have to do what is comfortable given your ankle. Perhaps you don't even want the rear foot in a toe strap?

With slalom skiing, your knees are very close together, with single trick skiing, your knees are apart and open, and to some degree your shoulders are chest are not totally square to the back of the boat either, if that makes sense. However, your body is not contorted like wakeboarding either.

 

[bikerdib]

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Skibrain, you have a point to a certain degree. Advanced trick skiing requires a comp binding for the front. I used to do a foothold pass so the one foot has to have complete control of the ski. That said, even when I had/have my rear foot in the binding the front still controlls the ski.

 

[bikerdib]

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sickwilly brought up a point I should have thought of. You don't really need a rear toe binding. Lots of advanced trick skiers use only one binding with a traction material on the rear of the ski. However, I don't think that would work with the adjustable binding you have on the ski. You wouldn't have enough control of the ski because of the "loose fit". And since multiple people are using the ski it probably wouldn't be practicle to put a better binding on. If you plan on moving the rear toe anyway, I suggest remove it, use something temporary to seal the screw holes from taking in water and trying it with only one foot in with the rear foot just placed comfortably on the rear of the ski right behind your front foot.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: Trick ski question

You shoiuld bend your knees a lot more and put more weight on the front foot than it looks llike you are in the bottom picture.

Stand on your left foot and place your right behind (like it would be in the ski). Can you turn your right foot at more of an angle to your left foot (like it would be pointing off the ski more)? If so, you could turn the rear binding for more of an angle.

Do you normally stand "pigeon toe"? That would explain things. I stand duck footed (toes pointed out slightly). I don't think I'd be able to get into the bindings like you did with the right foot forward.

That seems like it would work - if I can turn my right foot at a greater angle then the pain goes away.

I stand with my feet straight, not in or out.

 

[bikerdib]

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For those of you unfamiliar with trick skiing, here is a video of how it's done. In competition, there are 2 timed passes. The first pass is the hand hold and the second is toe hold. The skier has to get in as many scoring tricks as possible in the timed runs. The tricks are observed by a judge who makes sure the tricks are completed correctly. Say the skier is doing a wake 360, the 360 degree turn must be completed while in the air. To someone unfamiliar with trick skiing, it just looks like the skier is spinning around out of control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svZMInFaayY&feature=related

 

[bikerdib]

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That seems like it would work - if I can turn my right foot at a greater angle then the pain goes away.

I stand with my feet straight, not in or out.

That would be my first try then, turn the binding more of an angle. Do you kids ski left foot forward also?

 

[oldjeep]

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Yes, the one who skis is left foot forward. Also has size 12 feet, so I'll need to make sure to accomidate that.

 

[oldjeep]

Re: Trick ski question

For those of you unfamiliar with trick skiing, here is a video of how it's done.

Yeah, I won't be doing that

 

[bikerdib]

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I just want to make sure you get the ski working for you since you bought it out from under me when someone posted the craigslist ad in my thread.
I'm glad you did though, I would have spent money on a new binding for it and I already did that for the HP I have now. Dang internet makes it too easy to run up a high balance on your MC and Visa.