Trailer tire quandry!

bajaunderground

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I used to use Nitrogen to charge and check pressure in fire protection systems...it lacks the ability to "compress" like air (~78/~14/~8). As far as benefits, why not use helium? It's lighter than air, should lessen towing weight? :joyous:

Here's a good article...

http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/graham.pdf
 

bruceb58

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I used to use Nitrogen to charge and check pressure in fire protection systems...it lacks the ability to "compress" like air (~78/~14/~8).
They compress exactly the same until they hit their liquid point. Ideal Gas Law!

If you filled your tires with helium, you would save a few ounces at most plus it would really leak out fast! It would make your wallet lighter than what it does for your tires!
 
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dingbat

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The Truths and Myths of nitrogen

Claim #1. "N2 doesn't expand with heat like air because it's drier so your tire pressures stay more constant through tire temperature changes." Here's a claim that we've heard more times than we';d like to admit. Bottled nitrogen is dry, drier than typical air, and it is said that a drier gas will exhibit less pressure change to temperature changes. This would mean that as my N2 filled tires heat up, the pressure will not go up as much as if they were filled with air. The dryness of CO2 is also put into question since it is a "liquid" gas under pressure. CO2 vapor is very dry. Don't forget that N2 is also a liquid gas under certain pressure and temperature. The truth is, the differences in thermal expansion values (TEV) between N2, air, and CO2 at automotive tire pressures is virtually undetectable to a driver. In our own tests we compared the pressure changes of N2, air, and CO2 through a wide temperature range and found that they all expanded (increased in pressure) at virtually the same rate (see Gas Test).

Claim #2. "N2 permeates (leaks) through tires slower than air therefore your tires will maintain their pressure longer and require less maintenance."

Although it is true that nitrogen does permeate through tire rubber slower than oxygen and CO2, there are two things to know. First, the gas permeation difference between oxygen, CO2 and nitrogen through a tire wall is very minute. Second, this difference is made even more insignificant for N2 since oxygen only makes up 17% of air and most of "air" (78%) is nitrogen. Diffusion speed through the walls of your tires has more to do with the quality, the wall thickness, and the age of your tires. More often, tire deflation is due to a leak in the stem core, the stem seal, cracks in the stem, a bad tire to wheel bead seal, cracks in the tire wall, or objects like nails stuck through the tire tread. Also, did you know that your tires may grow during the first 1-2 days as it gets used to being inflated which would reduce the tire pressure. Tire manufacturers recommend checking your tire pressures often no matter what type of gas you';re using to fill your tires. Bottom line: If gas permeation was the only way a tire would lose its "air" there would be very little detectable difference between air (which is already 80% nitrogen), nitrogen, and CO2.


POWERTANK - CO2 Air Systems
 
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coolbri70

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my boss at the dealership where I work has been contemplating doing nitrogen but said it would be expensive and is not sure if our customers will buy it at $40 a service. I think some would, most only come for warranty work, but some buy our parts and pay our labor rates, it amazes me what people are willing to spend:noidea:
 

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The big thing I have noticed with two cars and having Nitrogen in one car is that the tire pressure sensor on the Corolla goes off every few months. The tire pressure sensor on my 300 has never gone off, nor did the sensor on the Silverado when I had it, they both had the green valve stem covers. Biggest benefit I see is the TPS not going off with changes in the weather. Im not sure if there is much of a value to having it with a trailer seeing as there are no TPS sensors to annoy you and they are typically used in good warm weather. I would pass.
 

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They compress exactly the same until they hit their liquid point. Ideal Gas Law!

If you filled your tires with helium, you would save a few ounces at most plus it would really leak out fast! It would make your wallet lighter than what it does for your tires!

I was merely being silly!
 

James R

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A whole lot of backwards and forwards about the merits of Nitrogen but not a lot of help regarding my initial question.
In the meantime I have purchased Maxxis and will relegate my 09 US manufactured Marathons to spare wheels.
Thanks.
 

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A whole lot of backwards and forwards about the merits of Nitrogen but not a lot of help regarding my initial question.
In the meantime I have purchased Maxxis and will relegate my 09 US manufactured Marathons to spare wheels.
Thanks.

Yeah, it only took post #3 for the thread to get off track.....
 

James R

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Gentlemen, thank you for your support. Hopefully those that strayed will read our comments and refrain from similar deviations.
On second thoughts, I doubt it.
 

phillyg

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Re: Trailer tire quandry!

ST tires, especially those made in China, are crappy. They're also speed-rated only to 65mph. I visit RV web forums, too, and ST tires are commented on frequently. Most folks get 3-5 years max out of their tires before they blow out, yet still have good looking tread on them. Most folks swear Maxxis are the best of the ST tires. The alternative, if you can fit them to your trailer and have enough weight capacity, are LT tires.
 

starcraftkid

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LT tires are fine but they're all but unavailable these days in anything but 15" sizes.
I've got a half dozen trailers, most with 12" and 13" tires, four trucks with 14" tires and have been looking for months for LT tires for my trucks but they seem to have become extinct.
I've been running on 12 year old Bridgetone LT's on the trucks. On my one trailer with 14" tires, its been running on 30 year old bias ply BF Goodrich passenger tires which came with it new. I just made a 200 mile trip with that trailer with no issues. I took two spares just in case but the spares were both newer Chinese made tires/rims that I bought three years ago that dryrotted so bad I didn't trust them, so I put the old wheels back on till I find a better solution.
I certainly don't care to dump another $200 in tires only to have them rot away in the driveway.
 
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