Tilt & Trim

55ford

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94 Mariner, 60 hp, 3 cylinder, tilt and trim quit working. When operating from the engine switch in up or down position the motor winds but nothing happens. Checked fluid, added till it ran out, didn't need much, put plug back in, no change. Any thing to check before I tear into it?????
 

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Re: Tilt & Trim

You need to open the manual release valve and manually move the motor all the way up and all the way down about 5-6 times to bleed the air out. do that with the release valve open. Then re-check and add fluid again. You probably have an air lock.
 

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Re: Tilt & Trim

has anybody done any work on the trim system recently? It is very odd for these systems to spontaneously quit in both directions. Usually there is a new motor involved and somebody put in the wrong driveshaft length.
 

55ford

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Re: Tilt & Trim

Nobody's worked on this system. The boat hasn't been used for a couple years. When I bleed this, is the fill cap on or off during the bleeding?
 

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through (auto) passenger side there is a large hole in transom bracket that lines up with the big nylon manual release in base of trim system. Using a screwdriver with large, wide blade open the MRV 3 full turns. Manually lift engine and block or latch into place. top off trim reservoir then allow engine to drop. Lift, block, & repeat until reservoir is full. Watch for leaks. If there are any leaks then you need to fix them before using trim.
 

55ford

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Re: Tilt & Trim

Ok, did everything you said, and it still doesn't move, the solenoid kicks in, motor buzzes in up or down, but no go. It worked when I got the boat. The engine is a 1994 60hp, the original was a 1996 65hp, just guessing now at anything.
 

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if the reservoir is full. if the manual release is closed. if the motor is spinning.
and nothing happens

then you probably need the trim system rebuilt or replaced. ebay is good place for used and rebuilt. dealer is good place for new replacements. craigslist can be great place for used bargains but it can take a lot of effort and the risk of garbage is high.
 

55ford

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Are there any safety issues with removing the tilt and trim assy. with the motor on the boat. I'm getting a vibration on the piston side so I'm thinking check valve possibly, kinda out of my hotrod & snowmobile territory, but gotta look.
 

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it needs to be thoroughly and securely blocked and braced into the up position. You can lose fingers and stuff if the engines falls on your hand.

I have rebuilt hundreds of these systems and I have only seen the piston housing go bad for a very few reasons:

1) it freezes low enough and long enough for the water to separate out and get trapped in the vertical fluid channel that runs along outside of cylinder housing. When frozen, water can split the channel like a pipe. 90% of the time the crack is on outside and clearly visible with a puddle of oil in the snow.
2) saltwater boats with galvanic corrosion can seize the lower mounting shaft, pit the housing, or corrode the cover threads so badly that the unit will cost more in labor to repair than to replace.
3) if an object is struck in the water at high enough speeds, the bypass valve may not allow fluid to pass fast enough and the up fluid channel cracks from back pressure (identical result as freezing but from different cause).
4) frustrated and careless owners can whack the thing with a hammer and put the cylinder out of round

In general:
look at the top, center seal of your cylinder housing. If it shows any sign of hardness, cracking, or fatigue then replace the cylinder seals. As long as the top seal is keeping water out and oil in, then the ram is probably fine. One exception is a badly neglected trim motor that allows water to enter reservoir. The water gets into cylinder, rusts out the bypass valves, and hardens the orings. The motor should be replaced when it starts roaring (bearings) or vibrating. If you wait for it to die then you may end up ruining the whiole system from water intrusion.

all that said and done - if it has oil, the motor spins, and it doesn't move - then your best bet is a full hydraulic rebuild.
 
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55ford

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Re: Tilt & Trim

Ok, thanx a lot, I'll dig into it this weekend. What is the unit on the top of the piston mount, brown, white stripe wire and a ground, also, off subject, what is the plastic line that hooks to the bottom section of the motor, external, mines broken off and where does it go. Sorry for being such a pest, thanx again
 

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Re: Tilt & Trim

idk. the manuals and parts diagrams are really good about showing parts and giving them names.
 
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