Thunderbolt IV Problems

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I asked rotor, not cap.... Cap would be obvious, like 2 spare holes. :eek:....

Chris.......

Ayuh,... You'd think the 2 extra triggers on the rotor might catch yer eye too,....


Maybe not....
 

achris

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Ayuh,... You'd think the 2 extra triggers on the rotor might catch yer eye too,....

Maybe not....

It would explain the early and late firing marks inside the cap, and the poor running... And being hidden inside the cap, would be really easy to overlook...
 

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It would explain the early and late firing marks inside the cap, and the poor running... And being hidden inside the cap, would be really easy to overlook...

Ayuh,... True enough, 'n it makes sense....

The ingenious design of the T-Bolt can bite ya in the butt...
1 housing, for All the Chevy V-motors...

Kinda like a SBC,... Not much difference in the Blocks, but night, 'n day differences in what ya put in 'em...
 

achris

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Thanks Don... That's exactly what I'm talking about... They'll both fit on and you can time the engine, and it will run reasonably, until you put load on or increase the RPM, then it'll pop and bang, an' fart all over the place. 2 cylinders would be firing at the right time, 2 would be firing early and 2 would be firing late. Since the rotor would be pointing between 2 towers the direction of the spark would be 'random'... Maybe it would fire the right plug, maybe not...

I can't think of anything else that would cause spark tracking marks as described...
 

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Many years ago, I gave a customer a V6 rotor, when he had a V8 (didn't look at the PN, just grabbed it out of the box). To say the least he was not a happy camper when he found out what the problem was. So I gave him the correct rotor, plus another new one and a new cap as a spare. Then, he was happy again.
 

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This leads me to believe the spark is firing out of time from the rotor after it passes plug #2 and before it passes #6. The "trails" are localized to those two plug pickups - I could not see any on any of the other pickups. Maybe if it's run longer others will develop, too?

I just quickly draw this up... It shows how #1 and #4 would be firing at the right time, but #6 (and #3) would show tracking early in the cap, and #2 (and #5) late...

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The simple answer for the OP, just take the cap off and look.
 

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VERY interesting. If memory serves, they were thethe same. I'm out of town for a couple of days but will investigate on friday. Thank you guys so much for sharing your extensive knowledge. Sorry for the delay. I'll post as soon as I can.
 

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First of all, all you guys are awesome for taking time from your busy lives to share your extensive knowledge with guys like me. Thank you so much.

As far as the rotor goes, it's the correct one. But we did find the REAL PROBLEM!

I wish I could take credit for finding the clue that solved the case, but it really was a very mechanically inclined co-worker who noticed that the distributor cap was warped badly. After closer inspection, we concluded that the cap was installed incorrectly. This is what happened:

While rebuilding the engine the first time, my haste and inexperience caused me to overlook the alignment tab for the distributor cap-to-distributor body connection. I clocked the cap incorrectly and tightened it down. Apparently I did not tighten it so much to cause enough warpage to make it malfunction. Therefore it ran well last year. But after tearing the engine down for the cam swap I reinstalled the distributor cap in the same position as I removed it. This warped it enough to cause the ignition malfunction that started this thread.

After buying a new distributor cap, I installed it in the same position as the one I removed. This damaged the new cap, causing the same condition as the previous one. Only after installing another new cap in the CORRECT position did the ignition problem cease. I put the old coil and amplifier back in and it runs great.

Note: DO NOT SIMPLY THROW MONEY AT THIS PROBLEM... IT WILL GET YOU FRUSTRATED AND BROKE! From what I hear, the Thunderbolt IV is a very good ignition system. Test, retest, check, and recheck everything thoroughly and determine with certainty what is causing the problem before purchasing parts. I replaced the entire Thunderbolt IV system (except wiring harness and distributor body) without solving a single thing. Granted, many of the parts were due for updates or replacement, but some were not. If I would've bought a new amplifier unit from mercruiser I would've spent $560 for nothing. Please, don't waste your time and money by replacing parts without knowing for sure that they are faulty.


This leads me to pass along some humble advice to anyone else who may encounter this sort of problem in the future. The process of fixing stuff often is a journey in learning. Always check to make absolutely sure all work performed on your boat is done correctly the first time. If you are doing it yourself, take your time, inspect the original equipment THOROUGHLY as you disassemble it and replace parts EXACTLY as they were removed.

My very best to all of you who are willing to get your hands dirty and you who are willing to help others who want to, too.
 

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Glad to hear you solved the problem... It also illustrates one of the drawbacks of a forum like this... We can only go by what someone tells us... We have no eyes, ears or fingers on the job... We have to assume the person at the other end has done everything correctly... or the way they have told us...

Anyway, a good result in the end... And a great learning experience for you.. :D

Chris....
 
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