The Epoxy Manifesto

geekomatic

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Since buying my little gimped-up runabout in February,I feel I have learned an amazing amount concerning the attributes of epoxy resin. I must thank everyone that participates in this board for that. Either the advise has been dead on the money, or I have been pointed in the right direction to find the correct info by someone on this site.<br />Recently, I decided to branch off into my own little experiment with epoxy resin, which has prompted this essay.<br />I've been using West System epoxy resin, cloth,tape,etc.At first I thought I was using it merely because I have a West Marine within whizzing distance of my house and I knew of no other product.As many of you know, the West System epoxy resin is around $70 a gallon, with the hardener being around $30 for the appropriate mix ratio.<br />I've gotten pretty comfortable using it.It's easy to use,has very little residual fumes, and it hardens crystal clear unless you add a fairing or thickening agent.At that point,it hardens into a nice milky color, or something that resembles apple butter if using the fillet blend.All-around good results. I'm very pleased with the results.<br />I was in an auto parts store last week buying wiper blades and, Lo and Behold, I find Epoxy resin made by Bondo? $25 a gallon !!!This is where I strayed from the path. I could not resist the opportunity to save a few bucks.Lord,Please forgive me of my mongrel ways. <br />Now, some of us will remember the fantastic metal-straightening properties of Bondo.You could fill up a half inch deep ding in the quarter panel of your Maverick or Camaro (whoo hoo!), or even your lime-green Pinto in just a few minutes and it would look fine until you hit a hard bump and that crap fell right out 'cause you weren't supposed to fill up a dent that deep with that garbage,but everybody did it anyway.Don't forget that smell the stuff exuded. NIIIICE! That's one reason why the literacy rate is so low in my area,and we have a bride that lives within a half mile of my house that decides she wants to bail out,go to Vegas,and have the whole freakin' country look for her on my tax dime. Looks at her photos! It's a deer in headlights, and it's all because she,or a close family member,sniffed or worked with too much Bondo. I am convinced of this.<br />At any rate, I used this swill on my boat because I thought I would actually save a couple of bucks.All I did was tack a nice drain tube under my seat riser,thank God. I followed the resin/hardener ratio directions to the letter.It was forty eight hours later that I checked my progress. The stuff had the pliability of silly putty after two days.If you follow the hardener/resin ratio on the can, it will NEVER,EVER cure.You can spread it on toast.A fringe benefit to this wonderful chemical soup is that it projects some of the most incredible fumes known to man.Even after two days, I had to go and buy box fans to get some air circulating in my garage.My cats are walking sideways, and after taking my respirator off for a few minutes,I started seeing colors that just don't exist.At least they haven't since college.<br />It's been three days now, and I'm still not free of the fumes.I can taste the stuff. I actually have neighbors a block away telling me that they can smell it.<br />This stuff is garbage.It cures like garbage and it looks like garbage.I have to scrape the junk out and start all over.Still not sure how to rid myself of these unbelievable fumes.I really have no clue how to dispose of the unused portion, but I don't want it near me. <br /> If you are tempted to use this monkey-spooge based upon cost,please follow my advise and go ahead and spend the money on the West Systems stuff. It's worth every penny it costs.<br />This whacked-out,chromosome-altering stew called Bondo is actually made or distributed somewhere in my city.<br />We have many problems here. It's all starting to make sense now.Sorry for the rant.<br />That's my opinion. I welcome yours.
 

Realgun

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OH MY! :D <br /><br />Yup I saw that junk on the shelf at the home depot but I thankfully resisted the urge to not splurge! <br /><br />And why oh why did she have to come here of all places?<br /><br />They canot stop talking about that funny looking nurse.<br /><br />My Dad told me once about 90% of Nurses are loony.<br />Good thing my wifes in the 10% catagory. :D
 

Pun

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LOL! That was killer. Monkey-spooge. Hahaha!<br /><br />I've been using the Raka, Inc. product. 3 gallon kit is 144 bucks, which works out to be 44/gal of usable product. Seems to have all the same properties of the West Systems, just cheaper. /opinion
 

cc lancer

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West System is just a well know brand name, when someone says Epoxy I always think of West Systems.<br /><br />But there are a lot of quality Epoxies out there, just look around.<br /><br />Geekomatic I would guess you could buy the West System a lot cheaper at Savanna, than inland at Atlanta.<br />There is a place down on the coast of NC, that sells the West System for $56.95.
 

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I find Epoxy resin made by Bondo? $25 a gallon !!!
That's Polyester Resin,............... Not Epoxy........<br /><br />You're comparing Apples,+ Oranges..........<br /><br />BTW,.... West Systems,... And West Marine, are Not the Same Company...........<br /><br />2 Very Different companies,........ just happen to be named West.........
 

swimmin' for shore

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So while we're on the subject of what's right and wrong, someone tell me what they know about vinyl ester resins. They're reputed to be much better than polyester resins, at similar cost. I've done all of my boat with epoxy, and will finish it that way but there's another one waiting for attention, and I was considering trying something different.
 

Eggkr8

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I am confused (no I haven't begun sniffing epoxy yet either). Are you talking about the Bondo body filler or Bondo's brand of polyester resin?<br /><br />The Body filler should never be used on a boat, it is like a sponge, even after curing.<br /><br />I bought a gallon of the bondo brand resin and ran a few tests with 2 ounce samples and varying amounts of hardener. I found that their recommended ratio resulted in a really hot and fast, like 15 minutes to a full cure. Granted, curing will occur faster in a cup<br /><br />Please let me know your thoughts<br /><br />thanks<br />e
 

Buttanic

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I used the Bondo epoxy resin with good results. I found it easier to mix at 1 to 1 than the 3 and 4 to one ratios and it hardened in shorter time than the previous resin I was using. I bought it at Home Depot but it was $21 a quart not $25 a gallon. What auto part store did you buy it at?
 
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Ive used the bondo resin too, while I admit there is nothing that compares to the stink it gives off while curing(had the neighbors complain) Ive found the end results to be quite satisfactory a hard waterproof finish.
 

geekomatic

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Wow.Really didn't expect the reponse on that one.<br />First of all:<br />Mr. Realgun:I completely forgot that you are in the same neck of the woods that our "runaway Kook" bailed to. Go figure.Mighty funny in my book.But then again,I like the taste of Listerene, so don't trust a thing that I say.<br /><br />Pun: I'm looking for the Raka Inc stuff.The price is right. Just hope the smell is the same...<br /><br />Bondo: Holy Cow.I truly hope you're not offended.<br />Nowhere on that can does it say polyester, I swear.All I know is that the stuff didn't cure at all and stunk up my entire block.<br /><br />Eggr8:No body filler on my boat.Must be the resin, but I still can't find the word "polyester" anywhere on that can.I got a little ill with the stuff and whipped up another batch outside away from my garage. I used double the recommended amount of hardener this time. Had myself a nice,smelly,hard ball of resin in about fifteen minutes.Suitable for tossing at tailgaiters(a favorite pastime of mine).<br /><br />Buttanic:I bought the crap at Pep Boys, an auto parts store suitable for purchasing floor mats, air fresheners,wiper blades, and absolutely NOTHING ELSE.<br /><br />Wellcraft cat: I'm can't use the stuff anymore, so I won't be able to tell you if better results were accomplished. My neighbors think I'm cooking up Meth in my garage now.Gotta stay with what works.<br /><br />Thanks for the input,and once again,I hope I didn't offend anyone.All I know is that was a very hard learned lesson. No more of that goop.
 

Lou C

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I used the Rot Doc stuff from www.rotdoc.com<br />pricey but excellent, stronger than the wood you are bonding to, and hardly any fumes ( used a fume resp while mixing/applying) no amine blush great stuff!
 

Realgun

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Geek we love your post and point the noobies to it and say here thats why you don't want to use poly ues epoxy pardon to JasonJ who likes poly.
 

tengals123

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just another example of the simple saying.....<br />'you get what you pay for'.<br />I've had people tell me im crazy going with 'internationals' products throught my project because they are so expensive. <br />A. I have never heard of anyone complaining about there products.<br />B. I know i'll be satisfied with the quality and result. ' my boat aint fallin apart'<br /> :p <br /><br /><br />cheers
 

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Bondo: Holy Cow.I truly hope you're not offended.<br />Nowhere on that can does it say polyester, I swear.All I know is that the stuff didn't cure at all and stunk up my entire block.<br />
Why would I be offended ?????<br /><br />The "Bondo" on your can is nothing but the Brand Name,..........<br />My Handle is a play on My Last Name.........<br /><br />The Fact that this resin "Stinks" says it's Polyester...............<br /><br />Your Test, is like comparing Gasoline,+ Water............<br /><br />Nice Read though.....
 

Mark42

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I used a quart of bondo brand resin. Yep, it does stink! It also seems to be much more pliable after hardening than other resins. Could be a good and bad trait, depending on the application.
 

fishingdan

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I only stick with the known brands that are designed for non-professional users.<br /><br />System Three, Raka, West Systems, MAS and a few others are all very good. With epoxy, I do believe that you get what you pay for.
 

Pun

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Originally posted by geekomatic:<br /> <br />Pun: I'm looking for the Raka Inc stuff.The price is right. Just hope the smell is the same...<br /><br />
http://www.raka.com/ <br /><br />hardly any smell at all, dude.
 

87Aggie

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Geeko, just read your post. You had me laughing so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. You're one funny dude - ever thought of becoming a comic?
 

geekomatic

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Aggie,Thanks for the compliment.I actually do a small amount of comic writing for professional comics who can't seem to come up with their own stuff.Not saying who.The regular job pays the mortgage and feeds us.Every six months or so, I get a big fat check that finances my habits.<br />Beer,bourbon,guitars,new plants for the landscape project,fly rods,and now gallons of freakin' epoxy and cloth.I'm addicted to this stuff now, and I feel I have to learn all there is to know.Probably will learn it the hard way.Actually have two new habits going at once.There's a 1944 PT-17 Boeing Stearman in my outbuilding now.Picked it up for a song.I'm pretty confident this is what's going to get me killed.Gotta get the boat floating before I start on that chapter of life.<br />Still looking for the RAKA stuff in my area.Ain't messin' with the polyester anymore.Left side of my head is still numb and I've developed strange cravings.Gotta go eat.Now.<br />I'm posting photos soon, I swear.
 

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Still looking for the RAKA stuff in my area
You ain't going to find it,.......<br /><br />Order it from the posted link,+ have it shipped to you.........
 
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