The "American Dream"

txswinner

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JB, Are you saying one who does bad things is not a bad person. Come on now, let's check out the Webster. This is nonsense and you know it.<br /><br />Broad is an insult, it is a slang indicating disrespect.
 

FSHKPR

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i dont understand! ray and hid little red truck gone for ever, tx still here. :confused: <br />JB no one can ever accuse you of no patience.
 

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dogsdad, Maybe not American business but certainly you.<br /><br />1. The Board of Directors hire the Executive Officers.<br /><br />2. Stocks value is not a reflection of the value of a company, it is more like a paramutual bet where some have more information on what the horse ate this morning.<br /><br />3. Companies sell stock and never have to buy it back. You simply on a portion of the companies profit (paid in the form of a dividend).<br /><br />4. A company stock can rise in a diameteric opposite direction than company value. <br /><br />5. Lay off workers will raise company values but as seen by investors may decrease stock.<br /><br />6. If you are the management team you control the accountants and auditors (do not report as I say and I will fire).<br /><br />7. When corps are privately owned then manager/owner is entitled to profit and earned income from work.<br /><br />8. In publicly held corporations Management teams should be paid earned income from work produced not the profit of the enterprize.
 

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Well, I will try one more time.<br /><br />I used "broad" as a not necessarily negative slang term, meaning "woman". At least that's how I intended it. In my time women have been commonly called quail, skirt, chick and many other non-derogatory terms.<br /><br />A person becomes a "murderer" when he/she commits murder only in the media. In court, it is only the murder that is addressed, not the character of the person, who might have been an upstanding citizen other than the one act. Any punishment is for the act, not for being whatever he/she is as a whole person. There are no laws about being a . . . .whatever. Laws are about what people do, good or bad, not what they are.<br /><br />Therefore saying a person whined would not be the same as saying that the person is a complete and only whiner.<br /><br />An individual is never all one thing. Txs and I disagree on a lot of things and both of us get angry about it once in a while. That does not make either of us a bad person, a whiner or an abuser of responsibility. We agree on some things, too, but that doesn't make us soul mates.<br /><br />The rules are: disagree, challenge ideas, attack behavior, but do not attack persons.
 

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Txs(edit), I don't think so. Saying that you think it ought to be done this way or that way doesn't mean a thing except that maybe you think others' success is somehow unfair to you. You made some public comments that display a lack of understanding, and you got publicly paddled for it. There may be a thing or two you can teach me, but I doubt it has much to do with economics or politics. Certainly you have some field of expertise. But what you said is there for the world to see---unless you choose to edit it away, and I wouldn't blame you if you did. <br /><br />As far as the moniker goes, there is no way I will refer to you as (edit), except in a case where I agree with you (I guess it could happen). Were I to use a handle such as "MyMaster," I do think I would have to be prepared to accept responses from people who would not address me as such...I can even imagine a few unflattering permutations that I would likely see.<br /><br />edit: "you are. . ." is not allowed, nor is changing one's handle to an insulting term. I thought I just explained that for the third time in this thread, not to mention numerous times elsewhere.
 
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I was a child in the sixties and seventies. I remember:<br /><br />1. Being gone all day, with my buds, was NOT an issue. We were safe from perverts, etc.<br /><br />2. My bud's parents were perfectly welcome to discipline me, and their own, if we did someting stupid. The same for the school. There were not allot of lawyers lurking about or, parents shirking their responsibilities.<br /><br />3. We left the keys, in the car.<br /><br />4. The house was unlocked.<br /><br />5. If somebody needed something, you gave it to them. Most likely, you would be repaid, with a bonus. I remember giving fuel to sharecroppers. The bounty in vegetables, come harvest time, was more than repayment. It was unwritten, but followed. No contracts, other than just doing the right thing. Both parties were grateful.<br /><br />Was there prejudice-absolutely. However, there was respect-on both sides. I was fortunate, I grew up in a family that held no prejudices.<br /><br />My parents taught me to not be judgemental, however to discern. If a man was a good man, you could tell, based on his actions and how he took care of his family.<br /><br />Are we better off today? That depends on what you determine to be "better off".<br /><br />Money and riches-probably. Quality of life-absolutely-NOT!
 

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doing a bad thing is not the sign of a bad person ,,if you wern't there before //during//and after //you wont know the facts ,,and if your not the person doing the deed ,,,, you will never know the deep heart felt gut gripping reason it was done ,, i know and ill deal with it on my own terms
 

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Txswinner,<br />I thought that you were done with Iboats, and that you were going to leave after the "incident" with KB was resolved? :confused: Just curious, thats all.
 

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No, JB, you did not explain it (nor is changing one's handle to an insulting term), at least not clearly. Why didn't you just come out with it instead of beating around the bush?<br /><br />Now, I have to figure out how to address a person whose ideas I definitely do not regard as those of a winner. Or maybe the best approach is to not address him at all...<br /> :D
 

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Well, DD. I give up, then.<br /><br />Anger is a hard thing to discipline, and disagreement is frequently anger. I think if you, I and txswinner sat down over a few brew and compared ideas we would all find that we disagree on a lot less than we imagine. <br /><br />In this environment we must realize that a few statements of opinion do not give a full picture of a person.<br /><br />In the meantime I repeat: Attack what he says but not who he is. Addressing him as txsloser is attacking who he is.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br />Addressing him as txsloser....
I always wondered who was gonna say that first... and it was JB!!!<br /><br />I don't have a problem with txswinner, I just disagree with him politically. Plenty of my friends have different political views than I. How to handle it? Don't talk politics. We have entire lives to talk about!
 

txswinner

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DJ, Amen on the quality of life, guess that best explains what I meant. I grew up a chemical plant kid. Almost everyone else was as well. No one had a Polo shirt but everyone had a shirt. Guess it was kind of like socialism. Kidding I do not want socialism.
 

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cpj, i love ya too much to leave ya, on the kb issue, i am no longer involved.<br /><br />It kind of goes to what JB said earlier in this thread about threatening tone or address.
 

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As to name calling it really does not bother me at all. Whiner, winer, wiener, hot dog, winnie, wienie all goes with the territory.
 

txswinner

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JB, Your excuse for "Broad" does not fly, bite the bullet for once and admit you were wrong to use it or say it is ok to use non vulgar names on board.<br /><br />For goodness sake, otherwise we loose many words such as gay, Indian, Oriental (yeah I was recently advised it ugly word should use Asian), Mick, and who knows what else. PC by enlarge bunk imo words used in the proper tone are ok.
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> How to handle it? Don't talk politics.
Well that would be boring though . . . <br /><br />Here is as good a place as any to post this thought; not mine, I have learned it elsewhere. What we should strive for is Clarity not Agreement. We usually argue hoping to actually change people's opinions (Agreement). Prolly not gonna happen, but if we dig deep to clarify where we differ, we may both (all) learn something.<br /><br />Similar to JB's thoughts above on his relationship with txs, but a little more black and white. You'll find if we actually know where each other stands specifically on issues that we are a lot closer than originally thought . . .<br /><br />So, here I have disagreed with Frogger. For clarification I said, "that would be boring, maybe if we seek clarity instead of agreement it won't blow up" stating my position clearly. He's probably not gonna yell back. Hopefully he says "Oh, OK, I know where you stand. I still think we should avoid politics, but I see your point." No agreement, Clarity.
 

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OK, txs. I withdraw "broad" and substitute "woman".<br /><br />There was no hostility intended in my using it, but if you see hostility in it I wont use it.
 

LadyFish

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> OK, txs. I withdraw "broad" and substitute "woman".<br /><br />There was no hostility intended in my using it, but if you see hostility in it I wont use it.
Oh hogwash y'all. Us iboater broads can take nearly any reference you might dish out and still keep smiling. :)
 

cpj

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Originally posted by LadyFish:<br />
Originally posted by JB:<br /> OK, txs. I withdraw "broad" and substitute "woman".<br /><br />There was no hostility intended in my using it, but if you see hostility in it I wont use it.
Oh hogwash y'all. Us iboater broads can take nearly any reference you might dish out and still keep smiling. :)
Spoken like a true dame! :D Way to go LF.
 
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